Here's what may be a bug, may just be "mechanics":

Use Hymn of Hope. Gain the +20% to mana pool size. At the end, mana is reduced to the percentage that you had at the end, not the absolute value. So use Hymn, go to 28k mana pool size, with 22k when the channel ends. Then it pops down to 16.7k.

My intuitive understanding of the mechanics should indicate that I stay at 22k, leaving 22/23k. Anyone else noticed this, or think that it should work the way it currently seems to be?

Aside: Disc for Razorscale is awesome-sauce. PW:S spam is incredible raid coverage, and sustainable for effectively forever.

Err... Did you see this? MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Rapture (bug or intended?)

Seems the mana return on PW: Shield is capped effectively making it only 200-250 mp5.

Of course, not to disagree about PW: Shield on Razorscale. The fight seems too short to run out of mana with any spec.

[e] As far as fragments go, as far as I know only one guild on Dragonblight has gotten a fragment over the past 2 days. They got it on a 0 tower Flame Leviathan kill.

We had a fragment drop on our Razorscale kill today (no achievement). It went to me.

Grats - So it seems that they are dropping quite often - a friends guild of mine also grabbed one last night which went to a fellow priest.

Bolded for absolute truthery. Hymn of Hope has been... obnoxious. At the moment, I'm popping it and healers are getting mana back, but exactly who and exactly how are open questions. Sometimes I see mana bars go up. Sometimes I... don't. I'm going to have to parse a few WWS logs, but there's still something wrong there (that or I'm insane, always a possibility.

I see that the new dual spec is really going to break down the RNG raid damage (Razorscale) versus the AOE raid damage (XT). Because Disc is as amazing at the former as holy is at the latter.

Divine hymn is the nuts. I mean I know that from the PTR, but seeing it on live... it's nuts. I think it was averaging 85k for me. I forsee a lot of debate on how to use that goto button properly.

Looking through my logs from last night leads me to belive that the Rapture indeed does have a 12 second cooldown on live. Couldn't see that it proced within under 12 seconds for me at any time, aside from double mana gains from when my own shield was consumed. Either way, I didn't have any mana problems at all when I was running disc and I wasn't holding back at all. I wasn't planing on running disc though, so my gear is probably more intellect heavy than what most disc priests would run with.

Nid, can you say a bit more about shielding on Razorscale? Did you just spent all your time shielding everyone in raid? We were wiping a lot yesterday before finally killed her with 3 raiders alive and I just couldn't get used to no cd on PW:S I was shielding 2-3 tanks, myself and sometimes other raid members. Most of the time I was penancing/flashing damaged ppl. Do you think I'd better shift to more PW:S?

The mana return of Rapture for yourself has definitely no cooldown. I preshielded more than half the raid between the Flame Jets at Ignis and got a wall of Rapture mana returns when he casted it, filling my bar up again (making it impossible to get below 70-80% mana). I was assisting healer on our main tank, so I went a nice rotation of Penance/Flash Heal on MT and PW:S on raid members.

Í did some testing, and Rapture do have a 12 second cooldown now. However, you can get multiple rapture returns if several of your shields get broken at the same time, flame jets at ignis would certanly qualify for that.

Hmm ok, that would be a valid point. It's strange though, since the Rapture effect on other people did not proc of every shield, but only once per Flame Jet Cycle (aka with full cooldown). That almost hints at unintended behavior in general then. The current version with multiple concurrent procs is borderline overpowered though when you have predictable aoe.

I'd say the same thing about renew. We killed Razorscale on our second try last night in between instance crashes and renew was once again the dominant spell (35-40% of my total healing, even with six total healers in the raid).

We then proceeded later after the main raid was called (we got in two Deconstructor attempts before the server crashed, grats on two hours of 25-man raiding a night) to do 10-man and cleared through to Thorim into the wee hours. The full recount on the night was 24% of my effective healing as renew and 8% as empowered renew. It's tremendously effective for me. Damage output from these bosses is old school, hit-and-forget, which allows renew a chance to shine. 10-man also tends to mean more to heal. It was very very refreshing and fun. Again, I really think the biggest thing that unlocked renew for me again is the instant gratification. I can see it working immediately, instead of having to imagine it ticking three seconds later. It's mana efficient and powerful, without the glyph.

However, despite increased use of Prayer of Healing, its glyph is underwhelming on the bigger scale. 1.3% on the night of total, but ticking for almost 600 on average. It's meaningful when PoH is a larger portion of my healing, but I'm not convinced it's worth the glyph. I may go back to renew, but I'm not sure I *want* a shorter renew. I like the idea that a spell is still on someone 15 seconds later. More experimentation to come as we get deeper in. I may even make fifty of each glyph and just go back and forth when I feel like it.

I picked up Spark of Hope last night off Kologarn 10, btw. +100 Spirit, -42 mana to all spells. It's a small downgrade in spell power from Majestic Dragon Figurine (~20 sp), but my napkin-math suggests if I use mana every GCD, then it's at least 160 mp5. As Borat would say, that's vera nice. It isn't -42 on every spell... some spells are less than that and I presume it's because those spells are already being reduced by another talent. I'm too lazy to check.

I want to hear from some of you that you're trying renew again. I'm very pleased with my results so far.

I also want to hear from you how you're doing with mana. I've had zero (0) mana issues in any venue, 25-man through Deconstructor, 10-man through Thorim. I'm casting just as often as I was before, wearing the same gear I was before, with effective healing relatively where it was before. The main difference is using renew, but renew is about the same mana cost as flash heal (which I also still use). I find no need to exploit holy concentration uptime or OOFSR yet, in fact the healing pace on some fights is just as fast as say Twilight Zone, but the mana is still good. I'm telling you this to give hope to those of you who were a little doomsday about mana regen before. I don't think much has changed for holy priests, honestly. Just have discipline on your switch if you need to do heavier tank healing. Even that isn't out of bounds for holy, but holy really shines on full raid coverage (including tanks), and it's certainly much more interesting.