I havent seen an fight in where I can use GH propperly. But then again Im just raidhealing. Why GH heal when you can FH? Btw, how do ppl here get around 3000+ healing? Im currently on rather good gear on buffed ~2600. The World of Warcraft Armory

(or am I going a bit offtopic now?).

I realy when crazy on spir and never had any mana problems but I replaced some gems now changed some gear and got a bit more intel but it still just 1060.

Well, In my holy spec I have about 2500+ self buffed (I switch bracers (with+SP enchant), shoulders, back, OH, wand to haste+spirit items when looking at my armory). With raidbuffs, SP food and using a 65int flask I get to around 2950SP. If I should switch to a +SP flask I would be over 3K but I'm only using my holy spec on read heavy dmg fights like XT-002 pre-nerf tantrum and I need the extra regen from the flask.

The difference is I have many +19SP and +9SP/8crit gems (used to be disc 100% pre-3.1) in my gear while you have more +16spirit and +16intellect gems. I'm also using a SP trinket vs your 2 spirit trinkets and the KT mace has 40more SP then your current MH. This is ofc assuming you raid with the (hit) gear currently showing on your armory


*edit: corrected item list

I want one point in Empowered Renew because crits from that can trigger SoL. (and HC to a lesser extent.) As stated I'll probably swap one point in HC to IF.

When I say I rarely cast it, I mean *rarely* cast it. I cast FH instead. The times I cast GH is when there's lulls in the fight. By definition, a lull means there isn't a critical need for speed. I might cast-cancel on the MT, and in this case the .5 second increased cast time doesn't really matter. If there isn't a lull in the fight, there's almost always raid damage to patch up. I don't switch off (unless I have GS available!) because that's a great way to fall behind or even let someone die because they weren't topped off. Raid damage can be brutal at times on Ulduar, especially on hard modes.

Some quick numbers show that Inner Focus is better mana efficiency than Healing Prayers unless you are casting more than 3 Prayer of Healing per minute. And I'm hesitant to cut a point from Holy Concentration because the whole reason to have Empowered Renew is so you can proc Holy Concentration. Are you sure it's not just better to cut 1 point from Healing Prayers instead?

Also, how do you feel about the point in Lightwell? I've been raiding with it for a while but it feels like the fights are just too chaotic for the spell to be useful. Perhaps that's the best place to cut the point for Inner Focus.

The trick is that one inner focus is used for Divine Hymn instead of Prayer of Healing, which saves another 600 mana or so. The timing quantization also matters of course, since it effectively gives you one inner focus every 2 minutes on a 4 minute fight. Plus Prayer of Mending is already so cheap that saving an extra 20% doesn't add up to much mana saved. Is that a sufficient sketch of the logic or did you want to see the actual numbers?

Beside the comments by tedv, note that you are comparing 2 points in Healing Prayers vs. 1 point in Inner focus. 1 point in Healing Prayers, however only gives 3*3*10%=90% of one PoH per 3 minutes.

Don't forget to add the value of Prayer of Mending to Healing Prayers as well. I may be a little more aggressive about casting it though.

I think I do have to re-examine the value of Lightwell. The fact you have to actually switch your target to it probably dissuades some DPS from using it to boot. I used to be a huge supporter of the talent but as you noted, the fights are too chaotic. A lot of the raid damage flying around is large and sudden. Lightwell is more aimed at people topping themselves off after a predictable burst in damage, with no risk of dying afterwards. That certainly doesn't fit the case at Thorim-hard, just to name one off the top of my head.

No that is not sufficient logic, I want to see your actual numbers broken down to a mp5 setting, please don't just claim things.

Here's an example of a fight (attempt on Thorim.25: hard) where I've cut it before the wipe (since the last few seconds of any wipe won't tell you much).

Wow Web Stats

5:00 long; I had 67 hits of PoH. Total number of casts was actually 14; positioning screwed up some of them so they only hit 2-3 people. Healing Prayers saved me 20% of 48% of my base mana every time, or a total of 1.344xBase. That's approximately 5,100 mana over 5 minutes, or 86 Mp5.

Comparatively, I could have used Inner Focus twice; assume once for Divine Hymn, and once for Prayer of Healing. That's a total of 63%+48% (assuming no HP, so max cost) saved, or 1.11xBase.

So your point is a valid one comparing only the two spells. The point in Inner Focus can save up to 0.438xBase more mana (for this particular example) than the point in Healing Prayers. However, what about Prayer of Mending? I cast it ~ 5x in those 5 minutes (could have cast it more, too): that's an additional savings of 20% of 15% every time, or .15xBase. That puts a point in HP up to 0.747, vs the 1.11 in Inner Focus.

If we extend the granularity to 6 minutes, it makes them almost equal, since Inner Focus gains nothing from the extra minute (except cooldown time), while HP continues to gain.

My rough conclusion: a point in Inner Focus is comparable in value to a point in Healing Prayers, so long as we don't cast more than 3 Prayer of Healing per minute. On a fight like Mimiron, HP will destroy Inner Focus. I can't find a decent log of Mimiron: if anyone has one, link it and we can tear it apart. But basically, in Phase 2, I cast FH x2/3 -> PoH -> CoH continually for the entire phase. I easily cast 10-15 PoH over a short time period, and the mana savings in HP actually allows me to finish the phase without going OOM.

Having said this, my stance has always been that 2/2 HP *and* Inner Focus are almost mandatory talents for regen purposes. No reason to not take them both, unless you really want an extra point to throw at Empowered Renew for some reason.

Here's a sample Mimiron parse, although we ran rather healer heavy for our first kill. My spec at the time was a bit different, having the renew talents (which I have since dropped) and no Test of Faith.

Mimiron

Here's another Mimiron parse if you need, 5 healers, 3 of them (holy) priests. Used my current spec.

Mimiron