I'd be shocked if 5/5 empowered healing saved anyone either. If your healingstyle isn't mana-intensive then by all means, drop points from Healing Prayers, but atleast pick up BR... I can't possibly believe you're actually healing so much with flash that 20% to one spell is better than 3% to all spells? And if you are, why are you playing a priest? There's better classes if you want spothealing.

On a unrelated note, gz on Mad Skill

I tend to run all 10mans as Disc anyway, the ability to blanket the whole raid with shields tends to be a very strong advantage.

As for Anub'Arak and PC healing, there's no reason what so ever to bring a holy priest as a disc priest will simply do the job better. Depending on raidsetup I either heal one target and assist on 1-2 others(basicly throwing shields to 2-3 multiple targets as a new wave of PC appears, in order to buy classes that take longer to get going the time they need), or as today I healed 2 targets by putting up a shield on both and then simply alternating between them with flash heals. If you're insecure about your healing you can simply spam your targets to full, the little extra healing to Anub isn't going to change anything. You want to maintain at least 10k+ health on your targets anyway as PC internal CD is shorter than the duration of the debuff, meaning you may get new PC targets before the last tick of the old ones.

T10 2P changed:

Your Flash Heal has a 33% chance to cause the target to heal for 33% of the healed amount over 9 sec. (source)


At least it doesn't scale inversely with SoL now. Still no indication if it overwrites or stacks, or how often it ticks. I still think I'll keep 2 piece tier 9 as long as I can, though. PoM is just a better spell than FH.

Two rng set boni. :'(

Flash heal isn't really a bad choice. It needed some more loving, as holy. It's getting pushed over by renew in ToC.
Like they said to the resto druids about reju, they try to make us use each spells we have. Understandable. It kinda feels like a revamp of Flash of Light though.

I'm not convinced it's a superb set bonus for disc. 9 seconds is long and it doesn't scale with DA. Will see after crunching the numbers. But for both T10 and T9, the 4-pieces bonus are underwhelming anyway. Getting two pieces of both sets seems like a good option.
Ok, the reduced cd on penance might get useful. If only it wasn't random... Have to test it personally I guess.

And T9 boni were dumb, in an item design way. But at least it was easier for us to get the good bonus. And will be easy to keep.

In ToC I don't think you need Healing Prayers at all. The mana saved on PoM is negligible and there are no fights where you'll be spamming PoH. Maybe Anub 10H, but I do that as Disc. Might as well drop that, get the second point in Surge of Light, and then you have the option to get full Body & Soul by dropping a point in Blessed Resilience.

Otherwise, yes, that's a much better build. I've pretty much been ignoring any Priest applicant who doesn't have Spell Warding.

Well, again I'm not going to suggest a spec generally just because the fights we're currently doing aren't challenging what so ever.

There's going to be people who are not doing ToC hard modes reading this for advice as well, infact I'd expect the people looking for advice on spec are probably not that far advanced. Therefor keeping in regen talents is probably a good thing, as well as throughput, whilst steering away from situational talents like body and soul. I realize a lot of people really like SoL, but that's the sacrifice I'd suggest since personally, I don't cast flash heals much.

I can find a use for Body and Soul in every ToC fight. Granted, I know some guilds have really awkward strategies but...

Body and Soul to:

NRB: Expedite Paralytic Toxin people; to help the "Australians"; or hell to get the kobold people to the melee/center faster (well what else are you going to be "healing" in p1 anyways?).

Jaraxxus: Sprint people with Legion Flames out; (plus I like using it to run away from Infernals, faster I get away faster I can get back to healing).

FC: And well if you can't tell the value of the talent in a pvp fight, I don't know what to say.

Twins: To either assist in soaking, or to speed up swapping colors. Again, I realize a lot of this relies on strategy, but we don't use anyone besides Paladins/Tanks popping cd's on color swaps. So being able to swap back faster and get back to healing is very useful.

Anub: Phase 2 kiting, but yeah otherwise this fight is stationary.

Besides, when are you going to be spamming Prayer of Healing? I'll give you Twins, but I hardly think you'd be "Spamming" it. I suppose if you screw up on Jaraxxus and let the Incinerate go off you'd be spamming Prayer of Healing, but that shouldn't happen in the first place. Should take a long hard look at how many Prayer of Healings you are using; also don't forget speed boost from Body and Soul should be a dps gain for dpsers and a potential hps gain for healers (assuming you go back to healing; obviously if it's a lull and you aren't healing anyways, you won't gain hps).

If the above posts are true (namely Starfire's), then why are we still speccing into Serendipity?

I feel like I can drop Serendipity now for gratuitous Body and Soul, and that it is where we should be taking these points from first, if from anywhere.

I'm unsure about a couple of things regarding the Holy template, geared for Coliseum fights. I'm assuming we're Holy and doing 100% raid healing, with a balanced mix of other healers.

1- It does seem we're using FH a lot less and GH almost not at all. Since we're raid-healing and the damage is fierce, why not drop Empowered Healing, and take Test of Faith instead ?

2- Same question with Blessed Resilience vs Healing prayers. I'm having a very hard time finding the right circumstances to cast PoH (damn Group constraint), so I'd rather drop Healing Prayers in favour of BR ?

3- We end up doing mostly instant spells. Back of the envelope calculations show Mental Agility to be vastly superior to Holy Concentration in that scenario ? HC scales with gear, but for full ulduar 25 priests I come up with Mental Agility = 100 MP5, HC = 50 MP5 with various assumptions (this is not based on a log analysis -I'd love one-, but theoretical calculations).

4- Lightwell seems a very strong spell. Nobody ever had any luck training their fellow raiders to use it ?

The Holy template I'm thinking of for Coliseum-25-Heroic right now, for Priests mostly fresh out of Ulduar, is Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Pure raid healing, SoL and Mental Agility for longevity and more mobility.

I like this idea however I ended up taking 3/3 out of bless resil, picking up holy concentration, inspiration, and dropping points in empowered healing. However, I kind of think we're both missing a point in that we aren't druids, and our roles as healers are more so determined by being middle grounded in the sense that we SHOULD be casting greater heal to help tank healers. But that's more so my confusion as a priest entirely, it seems we lose out in a battle of raid healing to druids, and lose out as tank healers to paladins. Granted I hold my own, but isn't the point of healing more so effectiveness? It seems like in some fights we're more so the squishy things that pretend we're doing something.

My sentiments on picking up mental agility are to make up for over-all mp5. Debating on regemming completely to emphasize spellpower, and changing spark of hope to an output trinket. Seeing as how my gear is pretty much exactly 25 ulduar gear, i don't necessarily know if it is wise to drop spark, or just swap to using Flasks of the frost Wyrm, regemming gives me the option of using elixirs of Draenic wisdom and guru's elixirs. Though to be honest, I could be doing a lot of things wrong or maybe i'm not the only priest that feels a bit useless. Someone give me a hand here.

From own experience:
Paladins top healing meters -> Too few healers.
Priests top healing meters -> Too many healers.
Druids top healing meters -> Perfect.