I am not that infatuated with Serendipity. When it was bugged and you could throw out two quick PoH it was pretty good but now much less so. The fact that you have no real way to gain haste during aoe attacks (except by starting to spam flash heals which is clearly a subpoptimal way to deal with AoE damage and if you have time to do that you probably don't need Serendepity stacks anyway) make it much weaker than a 3 pointer should be. The first PoH can pretty much always be predicted and the haste effect is somewhat redundant. It's when we may be low on healers and I need to use a second, third and forth PoH that I could really use the haste and then I get none.

I switched to 2/3 serendipity and 3/3 test of faith (which works great in combination with the first T8 set bonus) in my holy build and don't feel I am at a disadvantage coming into an aoe situation.

I had a coupel of questions on some fights our guild has been having issues with. Mainly kolo and council.

I duel spec Holy / Disc however I prefer to remain Holy.

Healing makeup for our 25 mans: 2 Palies, 2 Druids, 2 priests

The amount of random deaths have slowed our attempts and we have killed kolo is seems more of a luck factor when I am healing holy. On council I have been raiding Disc and I am wondering if loosing the raid heals on kolo for disc would be wiser as bubbling seems to be such a lifesaver its hard to pass up.

From what people have experienced do you think its better to have 2 HPs on kolo or should I be runnign disc?

As holy I tend to run 2nd in effective on the fight behind one of our palies, mainly due to judgement of light on the boss and the amount of effective healing that ads on the fight.

Disc is indeed great for saving lives, but I would hesitate about going disc for an AoE-heavy fight when you already have 2 paladins. I am also dual spec'd disc/holy, and which spec I am on any given fight is dependent on how many holy priests and paladins we already have. If there's 1 paladin, I'll stay disc for almost every fight. If there's 2, I'll switch to holy for fights with major raid healing.

The thing about Kologarn is, the raid damage apart from Shockwave/Oblivion is all preventable, so there shouldn't really be many people sitting at lower health than the rest of the raid. I would guess that your DPSers are getting hit by eye beams, and/or the rubble AoE, in which case it's not the healers' fault.

Anyway, however awesome disc might be at saving lives, I would expect that with only 2 druids and a holy priest to heal the raid, it would take too long to top people off after the raid-wide AoEs, and you'd just be creating more problems for yourself. This is just based on my experience though, YMMV.

Kologarn is a fight (at least in 10, haven't tried it on 25 yet) where I can see interest in both specs.
Disc is king on the MT (heavy "rare" hits), stabilizing it, and for the guy crushed in the right hand (when it happens).
It's especially good at coming and helping in both case just when needed, especially if one of the MT healers is distracted (eye beam or in the hand). And it can use POH to help when needed with raid healing after big aoes. It's not as good as holy, but still useful.

Holy is king for aoes, and B&S can help with eye beam. But it's not as reactive as Disc, and if you have enough aoe healing and suffer random death, then going disc is also a valid option for me.

On 10 man I heal Kologarn as Disc - single target rocks. On 25 man Kologarn grips three members, and (pre-nerf) Disc wasn't working well enough for me to heal them through. Going Holy I will PoM, CoH, SoL Flash (usually) which keeps all three up enough for a shammy or other aoe healer to keep them topped before the shockwave.

Hey all

My question is about renew thing.. as all we know we have to spend nearly 6 talent points on renew + glyph (optional) do you think its worth that? im asking because Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft in my talents i have to give up Test of faith cause of full Renew.. what do u suggest? focus on renew? or get rid of it once for all

Parse some of your fights and figure out how much renew is healing for. Think about situations where renew is your best option. Do those out way the benefit of gaining ToF and other things you pick up?

For myself, I decided that it was not worth it. I do however have one point in empowered renew for the chance to proc holy conc. when I do renew.

It is a matter of play style more than a strict go/no-go talent(s).


My question is how are people handling the frozen blows (http://www.wowhead.com/?spel=64544) on the raid for the 10 man version of Hodir?

We had a Paladin, Holy Priest & Druid doing the healing with the paladin mainly focused on the tank and the druid and I looking after everything else. It just seemed like we couldn't spread out the healing enough and we would lose a few people. We are looking at crafting a few pieces of frost resist gear to help, but this seems unneeded for most groups. Any suggestions would be welcome.

3 pieces of the epic frost resist gear for the tank was a good choice for us. A tank with enough hp could probably do without, however, then you definitely need a dedicated healer for the MT. Frost resist gear for the rest of the raid seems counterproductive to me - you gimp your DPS and healers a lot for a few short phases.

We did Hodir.10 in the fifth try, running with 3 healers in that try. Disc priest, holy priest, druid - though it turned out the druid healed in his moonkin equipment. We are a pretty casual raid with 2 evenings only, and half the raid is in 10-man only stuff. Here's our WWS: Wow Web Stats . Just look at try 5 (the kill), in the 4 tries before only the 2 priests healed.

In my (short) experience, the key to handling frozen blows is that you stay on top of your healing all of the time, so you are fully prepared when frozen blows hits.

Some hints:
- All players need to minimize damage taken during frozen blow - this is key: you cannot really handle emergencies.
- During frozen blows - if fires are active, healers take priority.
- Self-PoM on cooldown
- Priests use Divine Hymn
- Priests use PoH when standing and CoH/PoM/Renew when moving.
- Use B&S when you need to move.
- Alternate between healer and tank cooldowns during frozen blows so the MT healer can safely help out on raid healing.
- be verbal in TS/vent to coordinate - announce when you need to move during blows so the others are prepared.

Now, this worked for us, but it's perhaps not the best way. With more insight into the fight, I'm pretty sure this is doable with 2 healers - it just looks a bit overwhelming at first. Any advice on my healing there also very appreciated.

For 10 man Hodir and handling the Frozen Blows you should use either Frost Resist Gear or Cooldowns. Last week I healed the fight as Disc and I thought Disc was wonderful for it. Between my 2.6 minute PS and the Warrior Tanks OP short CDs(glyphed and talented for progression) we had a CD for every frozen blows between the two of us. This week, I went as Holy where I used my 1 minute CD Guardian Spirit in the same fashion on him, but the healing seemed to be a bit harder. I kept trying to keep an eye on the tank since I kept seeing him take dips, and the AoE healing was tough to heal through as it was. Overall lesson though, CDs for Frozen Blows on the tanks, lots of healing output, win.

Disclaimer: I've recently been promoted to healing leader for my guild and while I don't know everything about each of the healing class I'm trying to do the best that I can.

healers: 1 holy priest 1 disc priest 2 holy pally 2 resto druids
my role: disc tank healer
Problem: Healing MT and OT
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Kologarn is causing us a lot of problems. I don't know if the issue is the number of healers or how I have them assigned. I have a dedicated healer for the Kologarn tank. I'm assisting with Kologarn and healing the OT. The other healers are healing their group right after shockwave and general raid healing the rest of the time. The randomness of the stone grip seems to be our biggest issue. If two healers get grabbed at the same time it seems to become a unrecoverable situation. On our last attempted we tried bring in another healer (another pally), but as soon as 2 healers get grabbed we would fall behind and either lose people to the stone grip or other raid members taking damage while the stone grip is being healed.

I would definitely suggest 7 healers for Kologarn: he's not that hard, but having multiple healers gripped can lead to bad situations very quickly. You should have 2 dedicated tank healers; there's almost no point in having a designated "OT Healer" -- the OT takes almost no damage while not actually tanking. We run 2 paladins on the MT(s), with a druid assisting with rolling Rejuvs and the occasional top-up Nourish. Our two resto shamans cover grip, and secondary heal on the raid, and 1 holy priest is dedicated to the raid. I mostly play Body & Soul bitch, and try to speed up people running from lasers, with secondary emphasis on healing up the raid after shouts. The druid is dedicated to healing the rubble tank, with occasional raid heals if the rubble is dead.

Total healers: 1 druids, 2 priests, 2 shamans, 2 paladins.

Occasionally we run 2 druids, 1 shaman: in that case, the shaman is dedicated grip healer, and the two priests help with CoH and PoM.