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Old 11/21/09, 3:56 PM   #856
constantius
Soda Popinski
 
Pandaren Priest
 
Windrunner
It's actually even simpler than that (with less healing):
- Holy Nova your group
- Renews on the 3 people in the tank group who aren't tanks (they'll be physical, so JoL will do most of the healing)
- PWS+FH on the two PC targets

PoM does far too much healing, even if it is smart.
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Old 11/22/09, 12:18 AM   #857
Finkum
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Paladin
 
Gundrak
Originally Posted by Tainter View Post
I don't think that the ability to block is very important for a ToGC 10 tank. However, Paladin tanks have an edge over the others at the moment:

- More Threat
- Three AoE interrupts for Anub adds
- You can let them die once every two minutes without consequences
I would disagree; a correctly geared block tank simplifies ToGC-10 a great deal, paladins especially because, in addition to the above advantages, they will spend the entirety of phase 3 in Ardent Defender range, thus taking 20% reduced damage (and reducing the amount of healing Anub does).

Without a block tank it is much, much more difficult to 2-heal phase 3 unless one of the healers is a Holy paladin with Beacon; and with three healers, depending on your synergy and skill level, it can be difficult to reach phase 3 with just a single burrow phase.
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Old 11/23/09, 12:19 AM   #858
aribeth
Glass Joe
 
aribeth
Human Paladin
 
Non-US/EU Server
It's no doubt that holy paladin is VIP in H10 Anub. He/she can heal both tanks. But how to run the boss without it? e.g: two priests, or 1 pri + 1 dru?

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Old 11/23/09, 2:47 AM   #859
Finkum
Don Flamenco
 
Dwarf Paladin
 
Gundrak
Getting a bit off-topic from healing, but that's the power of block tanks against Burrowers - correctly geared (unhittable, more than ~3k BV) they will take minimal damage because the Expose Weakness multiplier is applied after the blocked portion of the hit has been subtracted (e.g. (3200 hit - 3000 blocked) * 2.25 expose multiplier = a paltry 450 damage taken).

We haven't had a paladin healer for any of our ToGC-10 clears; instead I swap to my prot paladin alt and basically take no damage from the Burrowers, allowing the two healers to concentrate on the MT and PC targets, respectively.
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Old 11/23/09, 6:11 AM   #860
Tainter
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Priest
 
Frostwhisper (EU)
Originally Posted by aribeth View Post
It's no doubt that holy paladin is VIP in H10 Anub. He/she can heal both tanks. But how to run the boss without it? e.g: two priests, or 1 pri + 1 dru?
If you go with only two healers without a Holy Paladin then the raid needs to have quite a lot of synergy it seems. If set up properly then you can have:

- melee and ranged dps healed passively: VE, Healing Stream, Judgement of Light or similar
- one healer on the MT
- other healer for dealing with PC and the off-tank
- off-tank using a shield makes that easier for the 2nd healer

I would always advocate having three healers as it is that much safer for all parts of ToGC-10. Therefore it gives a better shot at achieving insanity. Of course, you'll either need decent dps or good frost patch management.

If you absolutely cannot run with 3 healers then you could ask one of your hybrid dps (Elemental, Shadow or Balance) to help out with healing the off-tank during P3. If the healing is done correctly then it shouldn't be a dps race.

Finally, if you struggle getting only one burrow phase try using Blood Lust to help you reach P3 before the second burrow. Yes, it won't be available for P3, but it may allow you to bring the extra healer.
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Old 11/23/09, 7:04 PM   #861
Venelar
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Barthilas
Originally Posted by aribeth View Post
It's no doubt that holy paladin is VIP in H10 Anub. He/she can heal both tanks. But how to run the boss without it? e.g: two priests, or 1 pri + 1 dru?
Both H10 groups in my guild go holy priest/tree.

On phase 3 I heal the MT and bounce mendings through him, druid gets the raid + PC (i help on PC if i can), but what we also started doing was having an ele shaman off heal the OT when bugs are out in P3. Sure you lose the dps and it extends the length of the fight some, but we thought the "control" was a worthwhile tradeoff.

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Old 11/25/09, 3:57 AM   #862
Fairmont
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by aribeth View Post
It's no doubt that holy paladin is VIP in H10 Anub. He/she can heal both tanks. But how to run the boss without it? e.g: two priests, or 1 pri + 1 dru?
It can be done with any healer setup as long as the healer responsible for it knows how to deal with Penetrating Cold in a timely manner. This also means minimizing "overhealing" on PC targets, aswell as on the group(s) without enough passive healing. Furthermore the permanent tankhealer needs enough HPS to cover the tank damage while burrowers are up. The PC healer will simply help out on tankhealing while keeping an eye on PC targets.

The fight is done with either 2 or 3 healers. I'd say alot of it depends on your raid DPS and gear of both tanks. If raid DPS isn't top notch it's not a great idea to go with 3 healers obviously. But if the tanks are taking too much damage for the HPS of the tankhealers to handle then you will be forced to probably.

What can be done is to let a certain player (like an Elemental Shaman mentioned by the poster above me) help healing the tank(s) while the burrowers are up in phase 3 when necessary.

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Old 11/26/09, 3:35 AM   #863
Phacia
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by aribeth View Post
It's no doubt that holy paladin is VIP in H10 Anub. He/she can heal both tanks. But how to run the boss without it? e.g: two priests, or 1 pri + 1 dru?
My ToGC10 group goes with Disc Priest + Tree. I have the Tree roll HoTs and spam Nourish on the tanks while I heal the raid + PC targets. If I notice the Tree is behind on heals, I will toss a PW:S or Penance on a tank, but that's about it. However, we are fortunate to have a Prot Warrior and Prot Paladin as our tanks. We have the Prot Paladin tank Anub'arak and the Prot Warrior tank the adds. Plus, we have Aspect of the Wild, Frost Reistance Aura, and JoL, which makes raid healing trivial.

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Old 11/26/09, 3:55 AM   #864
Garantio
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Азурегос (EU)
Originally Posted by aribeth View Post
It's no doubt that holy paladin is VIP in H10 Anub. He/she can heal both tanks. But how to run the boss without it? e.g: two priests, or 1 pri + 1 dru?
We run 10-man group with this composition: 1 priest (me, disc) and 1 druid. We both heal tanks and when PC hits I shield both targets, send couple of heals on tanks then Renew on both PC. Druid is responsible to roll Rejuv on them and then switch back to tanks.
And sure there's an easy mode - when I get PC on myself I just spam BH

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Old 11/28/09, 7:37 PM   #865
Jack8642
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Shise View Post
Hello, everyone!

I have been using your forums for a really long time now, i have seen many of your questions and the solution to most of them. Some did help me, and some gave me new ideas. And it has come the time when i am who makes a question.

I play my holy priest as "spirit priest"; i am allways trying to look for gear with huge amounts of spirit and haste, apart of the intellect and SP. I use Sparkling Majesic Zicorn (20spirit) and Quick King's Amber (20 haste) mostly. My idea is dont socket for intellect at all cost, and keep stacking as much spirit and haste as i can.

So here comes my question, wich will probably be usefull for more raid healer priests aswell i guess.

Dates: The World of Warcraft Armory

Haste....... 824
Spirit........1343
Intellect....1231
MP5......In (430)out (824)

I am wondering... how could it work if i switch my hate sockets for intellect gems? so those 50 haste points would become 50 inellect points. Acording to the rule where 3Int > 1mp5 & 1Int > 15 mana pool points, i would gain a not despreciable amount of mp5, and i consider the mana regeneration the prio for absolutly all healers, where ever it comes from.

So here comes the dilemma, shall i sacrifice some of my haste for more mp5 wich will come from crits (as it's intellect) and some extra mana pool? or shall i stack with te max haste possible and keep spirit gems?

I personally like the idea of stacking haste and spirit, the gear should give you the SP and itellect enough (as raid healer), then your play style will make the diference. I dont really have any kind of "oom" issue, i perfetly know how to use my mp5 cd's to make them usefull for the raid and for myself, but as i hope to get more gear with more sockets, i'll need to be sure about my plans.

I would like to know your opinion and sorry for the armory link, there are some new items wich may not be 100% fixed.

I am posting it here as I consider it important when it comes to talk about the raid healing aspect for TotGC.


I would like to comment on your stats choice...

It's the opinions of myself and several other priests in top 100 US guilds that a holy priest's priority is first and foremost mitigating burst raid dmg. Druids are far more adept at healing consistent raid dmg, and pallies are much better at single target healing. Obviously you'd be helping with consistent raid dmg and single target healing, but its important to understand your priorities. That said, a priest would benefit from SP far greater than regen or haste. You want your CoH, PoM, and PoH to heal for as much as quickly as possible. You can maintain a haste of 550-650 easily from passive gear stats. Ive tried socketing all Haste vs. my current gems, and ive found a general decrease in my HPS. As far as regen, you never want to socket pure spirit/intel, as it is a waste. Holy priests should not be hurting for regen if played correctly. The crit from intel is minimum, and as a holy priest crit is not a priority.

Spec-wise youd want to pick up blessed resil, as it benefits you more since it affects your aoe heals as opposed to your fh. You should also drop the 8 talent pts from GH if you haven't already (armory stopped working for me)

Keep in mind this is just what i've learned from experience and healing with other priests. We just got insanity 25m twice these last 2 weeks, and ive been in and out of WMO rankings w/o cheesing or getting innervates fed to me. I'm mentioning this so you don't take this the wrong way. It's in no way the "only right" way of healing, but from my extensive raiding experiences, I believe it to be the most effective in my experience.

My toon is Depravity on Kelthuzad if you wanted to check or comment

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