Yep, they were identical except for the 25 mp5, 50 spirit, checked it again tonight as disc with 2000 int. About 4 mp5 less in combat regen. I suppose I could account 5-10% out of casting time, but any fight where my regen is challenged at all I'm pretty much casting 100% of the time.
I suppose I could account 5-10% out of casting time, but any fight where my regen is challenged at all I'm pretty much casting 100% of the time.
I think you'd be surprised about that one. The only fight I've done in WotLK where I literally spammed for the entire fight was Twin Valkyr; every other fight has small breaks here and there for movement or interrupts or simply due to a lack of healing neccessity.
Blood Queen would be the next best example, but even there I end up with little breaks here and there.
every other fight has small breaks here and there for movement or interrupts or simply due to a lack of healing neccessity.
Why would I stop casting on the move or during interrupts? There are plenty of instant spells to use. I don't see the point in taking a break (except for mana issues of course).
Why would I stop casting on the move or during interrupts? There are plenty of instant spells to use. I don't see the point in taking a break (except for mana issues of course).
While the most common reason is that there is simply nothing to heal for a few seconds, there are also Bone Graveyard on Marrowgar, Dominate Mind and the subsequent crowd control on Lady Deathwhisper, Tear Gas on Putricide, Fear and Vampiric Bite on Lana'Thel, portal phases on Valithria, Ice Tombs and Unchained Magic on Sindragosa, and Harvest Soul on the Lich King that will prevent or impede you from casting 100% of a fight.
I've been using Lightwell in a way that seems to have been generally overlooked, resulting in substantial HPS throughput increases, depending on the boss. The basic idea is to use it to handle all self-healing in between your normal GCD casts -- thus freeing GCD's you might otherwise have spent healing yourself, to use on other raid members. Things I exploit: it doesn't require a GCD to activate LW charges; even a half-utilized LW is crazy efficient in terms of time and mana; a LW charge can be activated during CC (like Vile Gas); and it can be activated during the casting bar of another spell (!), like PoH. I go into greater detail on the Blizzard Priest forums here, but I would like to hear your thoughts.
Give me a macro to use lightwell without having to move my mouse and click on it among ten people, and I'll gladly take it. :3
That aside, it might be worth it for sapphiron fight (unchained magic), although saph has been nerfed already.
But in P3, wich is the only relevant part of the fight, you need to move a lot, depending on how you manage the ice tombs and the stacking debuff.
Maybe blood queen as well, if will-be-bitten people want it.
On tear gas, it's a bit of a waste (no one dies during this). But do you mean you can click on the well while you are stunned?
On tear gas, it's a bit of a waste (no one dies during this). But do you mean you can click on the well while you are stunned?
I didn't test at Putricide - but that is very probably so. It certainly was in Naxxramas during Maexxna's web spray ability. I always placed a lightwell near the tanking position for this.
Originally Posted by Pewsey
Many of our snakes are 3m+ in size. They'll just take the lawnmower off you and beat the shit out of you with it to make you tender, then bite you and eat you.
I didn't test at Putricide - but that is very probably so. It certainly was in Naxxramas during Maexxna's web spray ability. I always placed a lightwell near the tanking position for this.
It would be best served if put down next to the table on Prof Put for the Mages and Rogues during Tear Gas
Give me a macro to use lightwell without having to move my mouse and click on it among ten people, and I'll gladly take it. :3
In your Key Bindings menu, set "Interact with Target" to a key. If you use click-to-cast, keep your LW targeted during a fight. Press your keybound key to self heal. If you don't use click-to-cast, you'll also need to bind another key to a "/tar lightwell" macro. In this case, you'll need two keystrokes.
I'm having trouble with the math (<- nothing new for me) for the new stats for Purified Lunar Dust and I cannot find much information regarding how Holy should weigh it now.
I know I'm basically asking someone to do the math for me, but if anyone could point me to a clear walk through of how to figure the numbers out of my own I would certainly be willing to try again.
I'm having trouble with the math (<- nothing new for me) for the new stats for Purified Lunar Dust and I cannot find much information regarding how Holy should weigh it now.
I know I'm basically asking someone to do the math for me, but if anyone could point me to a clear walk through of how to figure the numbers out of my own I would certainly be willing to try again.
As a guild we are still trying to down Blood Queen Lana'Thel on normal and failing .
However on reviewing my performance over 9 tries on world of logs I have noticed my healing is significantly down on the other Holy Priest in the raid who has only slightly better gear than I. We are both using a very similar adaptable rotation including COH, Renew, POM and Binding Heal. While our main problem on the fight is organising the bites my lack of performance concerns me.
I have thought about changing my Guardian Spirit Glyph for the Renew one. Though I would have thought the GS Glyph would be really good for Valithria Dreamwalker. Other than that I am not really sure what i am doing wrong to get such a differance between healing done and HPS.
Compare the total number of each heal and you'll see the problem is quite simple:
You aren't casting enough heals
Number of healing procs for You vs. Them:
Prayer of Mending: 25 vs. 52
Circle of Healing: 43 vs. 85
Binding Heal: 20 vs. 36
Prayer of Healing: 23 vs. 55
Flash Heal: 23 vs. 52
Greater Heal: 0 vs. 8
Divine Hymn: 0 vs. 9
Renew: 29 vs 20
You are beating them on one category: renew. And they are casting twice as many heals as you for all other spells. Is it any wonder they are doing double your healing? Renew is a filler spell; it's not something you spam. You aren't casting Prayer of Mending or Circle of Healing on cooldown. I'm not sure if you just have a lot of lag, you don't have runspeed on your boots, you aren't managing Serendipity, or you are clicking your spells instead of using key bindings. But one way or another, you need to start casting twice as many heals.
For what it's worth, your guild should take five healers to the fight, not six.
EDIT: I did a quick parse of your armory and there's some really dubious choices:
A) You are socketing orange spell power / int gems in red slots, not pure spell power
B) You are socketing orange spell power / int gems in yellow slots, not spell power / haste
C) You have no stat bonuses from professions
D) You have the m/5 shoulder enchant, not the +crit enchant
E) You chose the healing T10 set pieces for your healing gear rather than the better itemized shadow pieces
F) You only have 1 point in Test of Faith
G) You have 5/5 Empowered Healing, yet almost never cast Greater Heal and Flash Heal
It's not just that your gear is behind this other priest's. Your gemming and enchanting is making the problem much worse, and you're missing a critical healing talent (3/3 Test of Faith).
Healing Blood Queen as holy is all about three spells: Renew, Prayer of Mending and Circle of Healing.
Drop Glyph of Prayer of Healing for Renew. Don't cast Binding Heal so much. Only cast Flash Heal via Surge of Light procs. Your Prayer of Mending healing is low, make sure you cast it every time it's off cooldown. Wear 2pc T9 if you have good pieces of it available.
As a guild we are still trying to down Blood Queen Lana'Thel on normal and failing .
However on reviewing my performance over 9 tries on world of logs I have noticed my healing is significantly down on the other Holy Priest in the raid who has only slightly better gear than I.
We are both using a very similar adaptable rotation including COH, Renew, POM and Binding Heal.
While our main problem on the fight is organising the bites my lack of performance concerns me.
I have thought about changing my Guardian Spirit Glyph for the Renew one. Though I would have thought the GS Glyph would be really good for Valithria Dreamwalker.
Other than that I am not really sure what i am doing wrong to get such a differance between healing done and HPS.
The link above is for all the tries on Blood Queen on Sunday night. I was in the first 9 tries before being replaced by a Resto Druid.
Not to be trite, but I think the biggest factor in your overall heal output may also be affected by your uptime. In short, you're not doing much healing while you're dead. In the parse you linked you were only up 68% of the time while the other priest was up the whole fight (more or less).
It does look like the other priest did a bit more healing, but it's hard to determine from these parses what your problem, exactly, might be.
Taking your untimely demise into account you're doing about 84% of the healing of the other priest. Fixing your spell choice (as noted above) may go a long way toward solving the problem. Finally, there's the gearing issue you mentioned--no solution other than more time raiding.
My method to max out HPS during this fight is to roll renews, keep PoM on CD, keep CoH on cooldown, use SoL procs to throw FH on someone on low health. Use GS if someone is in trouble. My assigned priority on this fight in my guild is raid heals.
In this heavy damage fights this style of healing has worked very well for me. This keeps all your spells as instant casts so you can keep healing even if you have to move. If your using BH and have to move you loose a cast and waste time-efficiency.
Looking over your wowlogs it looks like you could get more use on PoM by throwing it everytime the cooldown is up. I would definitly keep GS glyph over renew glyph. I wouldn't use the BH...cast time plus movement equals lost heals. Using the strat above its all instant casts so you can move and heal.
You aren't casting Prayer of Mending or Circle of Healing on cooldown.
This may be an interface issue. Try setting up PowerAuras, TellMeWhen or the like so that you have an indication of when these cooldowns are ready again. Back when Wrath first hit and Blizzard put the cooldown on CoH I solved it by creating an extra Bartender bar and dragging it up next to my Grid.
Spend enough time healing and the timing becomes habit, enough so that switching to Disc throws off my rhythm and I find myself reaching for PoM 2-3 seconds early.
Thanks all for the advice and responses I welcome all the criticism as that is the only way a person can improve. I am using Clique and Grid as addons, I also use bartender so putting that next to grid sounds like an idea.
I must admit I hadn't considered taking the Shadow Tier 10 pieces are they really that much better itemised to make the healing set bonuses totally insignificant? I have also been following the haste vs spellpower thread when looking at the gem suggestion above should I really not gem for intellect at all. It is the best regen stat iirc and was thinking on long fights in the future inc LK mana could be more of an issue for the holy priest.
If this is so until I can get the solace trinkets should I then look to gemming for haste and spending the emblems on purified lunar dust as a SP/Regen trinket? Professions are an issue i know this character was originally an alt with gathering professions so am now having to redo them all to something more useful and tailoring and enchanting seemed a good way to go.
I will adapt to what has been said here and test new specs and gems over the next week of raiding.
You wouldn't want to pick up Shadow Pieces if you're holy, as disc? maybe.
Not only are you a human but there are so many incredibly strong spirit/haste pieces in ICC25. You're going to have to roll with t10 shoulders and legs once you hit ICC25 heroic though as they are by far BiS even if blizz fk'd up the itemization on the shoulders. Trinket wise you'll want both solace until you can be hit up with the heroic Abacus unless some info about the Sliver wheather it's cooldown really is one minute or not. Make sure you don't just mindlessly gem haste, you do not want to go oom on a fight like lich king even if there's quite abit of regen time on it. With TotGC25-ICC25 gear 900 haste is a good first goal, once you can get Heroic ICC25 gear you're gonna want to go with close to full haste gems in your gear since most of your regen will come naturally from your gear.
It's just sad to see Blizz screwed up the Priest tier itemization and bonuses yet again.
Profession wise, for pure output, I'd say enchanting and jewelcrafting... But since Cataclysm is around the corner you might want to roll with Tailoring/Enchanting for a good leveling balance for cataclysm.
Generally you want full spirit/haste gear in the end of Heroic ICC25.
1300 haste...from gear alone.
1269 is the haste cap for anything but Prayer of Healing and Greater Heal with raid buffs. It seems a bit irrational to gear beyond this unless you'll never have them. You may want to reword that to "Generally, I want full spirit/haste gear.." since that is not the generally accepted gearing theory on these forums.
Healing Blood Queen as holy is all about three spells: Renew, Prayer of Mending and Circle of Healing.
Drop Glyph of Prayer of Healing for Renew. Don't cast Binding Heal so much. Only cast Flash Heal via Surge of Light procs. Your Prayer of Mending healing is low, make sure you cast it every time it's off cooldown. Wear 2pc T9 if you have good pieces of it available.
Wouldn't using the Glyph of Renew on BWL actually be a hps loss?
Glyph of Renew makes renew tick harder obviously, but it doesn't look like it makes up for the lost tick (my total heal without glyph of renew is 12900ish and with the glyph, total healing on renew drops to 12300ish).
So I would think Glyph of Renew would only be superior when everyone can be renewed at once and you have nothing left to do (perhaps in ten man), but in 25 man you cannot even come close to renewing the whole raid, especially when its glyphed.
Wouldn't using the Glyph of Renew on BWL actually be a hps loss?
The glyph is an overall loss in total healing, but it's main purpose is to focus your healing on a smaller number of players. It can be a good tradeoff.
For example, if you're assigned to melee healing then the glyph can work nicely. On Blood Queen I tend to use a higher ratio of Renew : CoH / PoM than usual, because it's valuable to save CoH and PoM for damage spikes (particularly brain link). Without the glyph, it's quite frequent to find myself throwing Renews on the tanks or ranged because I've run out of melee targets.
That's not a bad thing in itself, but on BQL melee tend to take heavier damage than ranged due to blood bolt splashes. It's valuable to focus extra healing on the melee clumps, even if it means a small decrease in my overall healing.
1269 is the haste cap for anything but Prayer of Healing and Greater Heal with raid buffs. It seems a bit irrational to gear beyond this unless you'll never have them. You may want to reword that to "Generally, I want full spirit/haste gear.." since that is not the generally accepted gearing theory on these forums.
Prayer of Healing, CoH and PoM is what I do most of my time. I cannot speak about you.
Also, no.. You want Spirit/Haste gear as your playstyle is very very irrelevant when it comes down to gearing, Sockets is where you put your playstyle at. Crit and mp5 are by far, statweight wise less useful than spirit and haste for holy.
I disregard your judgemental tone in your post. You're allowed to do whatever you want to, I just gave him my view of things.
02/09/10, 4:20 AM
.
Similar Threads
