WotLK Healing Compendium v3.3: Arthas' downfall! - Page 25

Frmercury · 03/20/10, 9:17 AM

It's not that Val'anyr (or DA for that matter) will necessarily have a larger absorption because it will be directly modified by the zone wide buff, but that the zone wide buff causes your direct heals to heal for more. Since the procs are % based off of your heals they too will be larger.

Pasture · 03/20/10, 9:36 AM

I healed Lich King last night using my disc priest. For reasons we couldn't figure out the Arcane Mage in the group was taking considerably higher heals. A greater heal on him would hit for 13k compared to 11k on anyone else. The resto shaman in the group tested this out also and found the same thing - his heals were hitting the Arcane Mage for much higher.

Does anyone have any experience with this or know why this happens? Note my main is an Arcane Mage and we have nothing in the way of skills or talents that buff healing taken, bar amplify magic, which wasn't being used and wouldn't account for such a big difference anyway.

Glasswizard · 03/22/10, 4:54 AM

I think for aura fights like Blood Queen oder Sindragosa Valanyr is still hard to beat (as holy priest). For shield spamming (as a disc priest) you will want something with more spellpower. For everything in between I'm not sure either. The problem is that tools like worldoflogs don't seem to generate any reliable numbers on this, so it's always a little guess work which shields actually absorb damage and which just run out unused.

Hegen · 03/22/10, 5:19 AM

Originally Posted by Glasswizard

The problem is that tools like worldoflogs don't seem to generate any reliable numbers on this, so it's always a little guess work which shields actually absorb damage and which just run out unused.

So far, WorldOfLogs has been pretty accurate regarding shield absorptions (with the well known exception of ToC Valkyrs). In what respect exactly do you think WoL isn't reliable regarding shields? From what I know, WoL doesn't just count shields, it adds absorption values, and the only real guesswork it does is regarding who was the "owner" of the absorbed value.

Glasswizard · 03/22/10, 5:59 AM

Well, maybe I'm missing something but how can you mathematically describe logs like this World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis -> click on "Healing by Spell"?

On average the proc should do something like ~5% of total healing (including overhealing) if every shield gets used. Total healing is ~7 mio in this log, the proc accounts for ~6,6% of this. How is that possible if on Lady Deathwhisper a big chunk of the shields will just fall off without even getting used? Is the tooltip of the proc wrong? Or is something not counting into overhealing (like HoTs) but still building the shield?

Hegen · 03/22/10, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Glasswizard

How is that possible if on Lady Deathwhisper a big chunk of the shields will just fall off without even getting used? Is the tooltip of the proc wrong? Or is something not counting into overhealing (like HoTs) but still building the shield?

From an old blue post, full overheals do not cause a proc, but overheal contributes to the shield procced, as do subsequent heals. There's a whole Val'anyr thread under Public Discussion covering the details.

Consider also that the druid in that log overheals quite a lot (should by fairly normal for Deathwisper). Now, if Rejuv and Regrowth run above 70% overheal, it comes natural that the percentage of Val'anyr absorbs will be relatively high in the effective healing statistics.

If you are really unsure whether WoL often assigns the absorbs to the wrong person, look at a 10 man log with a healer sporting a Val'anyr and no disc priest in the raid.

Cz_Stonemaul · 03/29/10, 5:09 PM

I actually have another question now that I think about it. How good is the Renew, particularly for the hard mode aura fights like Synd and BQ? I've recently started hearing some people call it an HPS loss, and I'd like to know if it's worth keeping.

RootBreaker · 03/29/10, 5:37 PM

A HPS loss compared to what? It's not as strong as PoM and CoH, but it's much better than flash heal.

Mokhtar · 03/29/10, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pasture

Does anyone have any experience with this or know why this happens? Note my main is an Arcane Mage and we have nothing in the way of skills or talents that buff healing taken, bar amplify magic, which wasn't being used and wouldn't account for such a big difference anyway.

We had a tree druid that got bugged (no other way to put it) like that : all the heals on him were doing double what they should have done, lasted three days, never could figure out the cause...

Cz_Stonemaul · 03/29/10, 7:22 PM

Originally Posted by RootBreaker

A HPS loss compared to what? It's not as strong as PoM and CoH, but it's much better than flash heal.

A HPS loss compared to not using the glyph period. Basically, some people are saying that glyph is an HPS loss in of itself. Nothing, as in an empty glyph slot, is better than the Renew Glyph for a Renew spamming priest (which I am for 25m ICC hard modes) in that situation.

Carnathagia · 03/30/10, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cz_Stonemaul

A HPS loss compared to not using the glyph period. Basically, some people are saying that glyph is an HPS loss in of itself. Nothing, as in an empty glyph slot, is better than the Renew Glyph for a Renew spamming priest (which I am for 25m ICC hard modes) in that situation.

Using the glyph of Renew is a slight HPS loss raid-wide if you are maintaining as many Renews as possible. It is a HPS increase per target, though. I would only use it for fights with focused damage such as Saurfang, depending on your assignment.

Jyll · 03/30/10, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Carnathagia

Using the glyph of Renew is a slight HPS loss raid-wide if you are maintaining as many Renews as possible. It is a HPS increase per target, though. I would only use it for fights with focused damage such as Saurfang, depending on your assignment.

I'd take it even further and say depending on your assignment and the healing comp of your raid. If you don't normally run with this glyph, I wouldn't put it in unless you are trying to two-heal Saurfang without a pally or are otherwise struggling. Otherwise you're going to end up either using a glyph that's not your first choice or toting around glyphs all the time when you can probably get by without it.

Nynneve · 04/05/10, 6:35 PM

I picked up Trauma recently and had a chance to really put it to the test last Friday as our guild's 25man progression group is learning BQL World of Logs. Sadly, we wiped 18 times, but 7 of those times we made it to the enrage timer, so there is a decent amount of data on the Fountain of Light proc.

My request for advice has to do with the fact that in all but one attempt I was the 5th of five healers. This is new for me as we are mainly a 10man guild and in 10m I am often top heals and as our 25man started up, I was one of the best geared. However, as the other healers have acquired more gear, their HPS is soaring and I'm struggling.

Our healers are a paly, 2 shammys, a druid and myself (switching between disc & holy). The one thing that I notice is that besides the druid, the other healers have alot more haste than I do ~34% vs ~12%. I knew it had been low, so I've been swapping out Int gems for Haste gems recently, but then I lost haste by giving up Mag'hari Chieftain's Staff. So my question is, aside from adding more haste, is there anything else obvious that I'm doing wrong?

For some background, I'm a holy priest at heart, but I picked up the Disc spec because so many encounters in ICC have a lot more spikey single-target damage instead of the steady everyone-needs-heals that Uld/ToC had. In the log above I tried Disc for the first 4 attempts, but then switched to Holy because it felt wrong. Attempts 9 & 10 I tried casting more Renews, but I don't have the spec for that so I went back to my PoM, CoH, SoL/FH, PoH rotation.

Comments?

Ravenmyst · 04/05/10, 9:00 PM

Nynneve,

I can't comment to much on Disc since I haven't been healing as it lately. But will offer what advice i can for Holy. I can say generally speaking on our 25 man Blood Queen kills (ICC All together actually) I do run top on the healing charts. We're currently working on Lich King on 25 man. Here's one example of a Blood Queen night in which we killed her, (our first time I think actually) World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis My best Blood Queen battle came in so far at just over 14k hps for the fight (this was before the 10% zone buff). However I should point out the other healers where slacking a bit that attempt, that kind of hps shouldn't be possible if everyone is pulling their weight.

First things that come to my mind are.. Give up Mag'hari Chieftain's Staff? If your running Holy there's only two weapons you should give that up for, Dying Light and Archus, Greatstaff of Antonidas. As Disc Trauma is probably fine but there's better weapons for it as well. Also yes your haste is a bit low still. Your robe is fine for Disc but not at all good for Holy and there's better options for both. Basically in general your geared as a disc priest, not Holy, if you run as holy with that gear set you are probably not going to perform to the best of your abilities, however you should do pretty well as Disc.

My current armory gear set is a little off, changing my robe to Sanguine Silk Robe tomorrow soon as I get it regemmed, and regemming 3 other pieces of gear myself once I can get ahold of a JC in my guild. Adding a bit more haste myself in general and my gear still has a little ways to go yet.

The other issue is if you look at our healing styles and specs, they are very different. I can pull 14k HPS sustained currently (higher probably if I'm not fighting with other healers to heal people), once I'm fully geared and regemmed my max possible should be close to 18k. In a fight such as Blood Queen, I use Prayer of Mending on Cooldown, Renew in between CoH timers, CoH and insta cast flash heals on proc.

This is a very potent healing style and spec currently for Ice Crown. If anyone can do more then 14k Hps or has some other advice maybe they can help more. Will try to check back in case you have more questions. Hope some of that helped.

Hegen · 04/06/10, 4:11 AM

Originally Posted by Nynneve

However, as the other healers have acquired more gear, their HPS is soaring and I'm struggling.
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So my question is, aside from adding more haste, is there anything else obvious that I'm doing wrong?

As a discipline priest, with the exception of the Lich King encounter, you shouldn't expect to have the same HPS as other healers. If gearing and skill is at the same level (and you don't run with too many healers), disc priests just heal less at ICC level (look at WoL rankings, for example). That's okay, as a shield is worth more than a heal in terms of safety for the raid.

Regarding BQL which you tried as holy and disc. Though disc felt wrong to you, you didn't perform better when trying holy. Usually holy priests use a renew spec for BQL and other aura type fights. I suppose this is the main reason, not the amount of haste. Depending on RNG, you may also need to move quite a bit at BQL, making Renew more attractive than PoH.

Since you were the only healing priest in the raid, my suggestion would be to stay disc at BQL unless you manage to do significantly better as holy. A few percent of HPS isn't worth giving up shields, in my opinion.