Can anyone show a parse from TOGC or ICC where GHeal is used more than like... 10% of the time?

If not, then I would think that alot of this argument about buffing GHeal, its efficiency, etc. is rather pointless. If you don't use the spell, why would you buff it?

I think that's the major point that alot of people are making - GHeal is currently rarely cast. Holy paladins simply have way too much throughput and efficiency in that regard. So landing a nuke like GHeal isn't needed right now.

(Of course, if someone shows me a parse where GHeal makes up a good portion of their healing, then we can actually analyze how much is overhealing, etc.)

So following the hotfix to the [Ephemeral Snowflake] are we back to thinking that for pure regen [Spark of Hope] remains the best trinket? In 25s I've experienced extremely few mana issues since Ulduar but in 10s they are a lot more common and I'm undecided which trinket to go for on longer fights.

Any thoughts on [Sliver of Pure Ice] also? Works out at a minimum of 67mp5 and could increase beyond that depending on fight length. Plus it comes with a nice load of Spell Power too. It's naturally far inferior to [Solace of the Fallen] both normal and heroic but is probably more accesible than both.

Well in it's current state GHeal is rarely, if ever, worth casting. If it were to receive a buff however, such as reduced cast time or mana cast (whether talented or otherwise) then perhaps it would be more worth casting.

That said, GHeal is about where it should be in my eyes. It would be very overpowered to allow a Priest to spam a big heal like GHeal and while it's great we have access to it if we need it, it's not the main purpose of bringing a Priest to a raid to spam large single target heals.

I use FHeal and I spam it regardless of whether the tank is full health or not pretty frequently. I'd use GHeal in the same respect. As a result, the amount of overheal would largely be thrown towards your tank's clemency to avoidance on rainy days, in my situation.

Edit: Not to sound like it would be of no benefit to have no parses, lol.

If you were to have the spare time/mana to spam a tank with GHeal, it sounds like you would have too many healers for the content. I personally do not see the point in even using a GHeal in a raid situation. I don't even have it on my bar. FH with DA procs are almost equal to what my GHeal would heal.

As a Disc raider, I typically assist tank healing with PW:S, Renew and PoM only. Tank healing is handled by the Paladins since that's what they are designed to do.

GHeal is now just another useless healing spell-- like Lesser Heal and Heal-- with the throughput of FH and Penance.

Ever since I made the transition from Holy to Discipline a couple months back I've been a huge fan of stacking Intellect. I gem Brilliant King's Amber and my trinkets are Talisman of Resurgence (128 Int) and Tears of the Vanquished (84 Int). This strategy has been working great for me in regards to my never ending supply of mana as I sit at just under 31k unbuffed and nearly break 36k in my 10M raiding guild's raids.

However, when we stepped into ICC the other night it seemed as though my infinite mana had finally met its match when my throughput was not enough to keep the tanks alive during the first boss! So, I've considered making the complete switch to geming and trinketing for SP, but after doing some quick math I wasn't too thrilled about what I saw...

If I went all Runed Cardinal Rubys and two easy to get SP trinkets (Lets say 111s) I would gain 475 SP and lose 432 Intellect!

While the trade off doesn't seem quite balanced to me, I was hoping to gain some insight from some more number savvy Priests out there. My regen is great; I never run out of mana, but as a tank healer I feel like I should get some more throughput.

Thanks for the input!

It's pretty simple. You only need enough mana to not run out of it over a full fight, given things like shadowfiend, potion, Hymn of Hope, Mana Tide, and possibly Innervate. Anything beyond that is wasted and should be throughput.

Personally when I go Disc I don't even notice my mana bar, it's such a non-issue. I'd never gem for mana as Disc.

Right Right. I've been considering making the change for a while now. I suppose one of the main things that has held back my transition from Intellect to SP is that I haven't had a very reliable 2nd healer in quite some time, so I've commonly had to pick up some slack in the healing department so I always liked the extra mana as a buffer.

But alas it may be time to both re-gem and recruit some new blood!

You can? During an ideal fight are you often standing around with nothing to cast? I'm not. There's always shields to cast even if no one's taking damage. So no, you can't just "cast more heals." And even with real, actual, non-stop casting, I don't run out of mana as Disc. Not even as Holy these days with all of the regeneration options.

I agree with you, Broshious, but stacking Intellect is completely unnecessary as Discipline. I don't gem for intellect and yet in my experience I have never run out of mana as Disc even though I rarely need to use my Shadowfiend/Hymn of Hope.

If you find you need to gem for intellect as a Discipline priest so that you have a comfortable amount of mana taking in to account just your Shadowfiend and Hymn of Hope, then you're probably doing something wrong...

On the other hand, if you cast Hymn of Hope, you also lose time to cast heals - If you are really casting heals through the whole fight, then you should probably not use the time to caste the Hymn. I personally dislike the Hymn because it's to stationary and the time can be used for something better (like shielding) instead of casting the Hymn since Mana has not really been any issue for my group at all.

But even if you use Serendipity and GHeal, the benefit of Divine Fury is reduced since you'll gain ~0.2s additional casttime for 5 talent points (0.5s gain multiplied by 36% faster cast = 0.18s). So using GHeal with Serendipity is an argument against Divine Fury, as far as I am concerned.

When you gem SP, you mainly want to be a raid Disc healer throwing shields left and right. However, since you said that you are a Disc tank healer, you might want to gem/gear the Holy Paladin way (Int/Haste/Crit/SP). If you feel like you are not getting enough throughput, just swap out 1 Int trinket for a SP trinket (Solace would be optimal). But it seems like you are on the right track with gems.

Though you don't get the SP from Intellect like a Holy Paladin, you will certainly be able to spam FHeal/GHeal to an extent before you need to use your Shadowfiend/Hymn of Hope/AT (Belf FTW)/Mana Potion.

I would definitely change your Disc spec to grab Divine Fury and Improved Healing to speed up your GHeal and reduce the mana cost. Drop Focused Will for the 3 points you will need for Improved Healing and go 1/2 Grace since you are tank healing which 50% proc will be more than sufficient. Also, I would take Revitalizing Skyflare over any other meta for the additional 3% healing crit effect which is amazing for getting extra DA procs.

Personally, I don't like Disc priests as MT healers. We do have tools that allow us to MT heal, but I feel that we are much stronger at preventing overall incoming raid damage than just sticking on 1 target. But, if I were to MT heal, that is what I would change.