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Old 09/02/10, 10:24 AM   #176
Overhead
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Shattered Hand
For the sake of simplicity, using lufe's numbers:
During the 21 effective seconds of the buff, he got 11.1k total HPS, and 4.7k effective HPS, just from a use: ability.

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Old 09/05/10, 5:55 AM   #177
Ultimoron
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Originally Posted by lufe View Post
Guys, I've made some tests with [Glowing Twilight Scale] as a Discipline Priest.


My latest test was in Halion 25H. I used it in the begining of phase 2 (shadow realm), and during the 15 secs I casted Shields and Mendings as usual.
This one single use yielded 97654 effective healing. Each member of the raid got from 11 to 24 effective or partially effective ticks (378 ticks). It had 41.8% overheal, wich means a total raw healing of 233622.
Note: it healed 443 every tick, instead of 402.

Here is the combatlog for further analysis:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
It looks like there's a small coefficient boost from either Intellect or SP. Easily the BiS trinket for Holy Priests, possibly even more so than Disc Priests. I'm going to go out of my way to try and obtain it.

I'm guessing this replaces [Althor's Abacus] in healing Priest trinkets?

Last edited by Ultimoron : 09/05/10 at 5:56 AM. Reason: added commentary

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Old 09/05/10, 1:09 PM   #178
Starfire
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Dragonblight
You should use both. Exceptions apply if you're doing 10-man without Replenishment or some-such. Also, the on-use is super-useful on some fights (Marrowgar, Festergut, Heroic Lich King) and nearly worthless on others (Saurfang).

Ultimately, the trinket is absolutely Best-in-Slot for all of the hardest fights this tier (Heroic Lich King, Heroic Halion, Heroic Putricide, Heroic Sindragosa). One thing to keep in mind, to maximize the use of the trinket, try to spread out your heals to distant parts of the raid to get everyone covered (for example, on Lich King if using the 2 ranged clumps and melee/tank clumb, try to throw heals to all three areas for maximum coverage).

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 09/05/10, 2:54 PM   #179
Hegen
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Alleria (EU)
For BiS setups, the combination of the Halion trinket and the Abacus is so clearly best that I put that combination in the guide even before having combat logs.

The reasoning is simple: the alternatives have less spell power, but provide regen. Priests with BiS gear do not have mana problems (exceptions exist, as always). Thus, throughput rules and this combination wins.

Of course, any sane priest will keep very good regen trinkets - just in case.

I have added a very short summary of the latest testing to the trinket section of the guide. Regarding possible scaling, I don't buy the theory of minor stat scaling, though. The increase is just too tiny for a +heal effect at ICC gear level. This looks more like effects from talents and/or +heal effects to me (note the logs show higher ticks of 460 on one of the targets). Given the current state of progression and lack of competing trinkets, it's probably good enough to know the ticks are somewhere between 400 and 500. If someone does more testing outside of raids and with different specs, I will add the results, though.

Last edited by Hegen : 09/05/10 at 3:56 PM.

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Old 09/06/10, 4:23 AM   #180
lufe
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Ursin
Originally Posted by Hegen View Post
Regarding possible scaling, I don't buy the theory of minor stat scaling, though. The increase is just too tiny for a +heal effect at ICC gear level. This looks more like effects from talents and/or +heal effects to me (note the logs show higher ticks of 460 on one of the targets).
You're right Hegen! The HoTs are really not affected by Gear.. full epic, or totally naked yields the same hots.. which implies no stat scaling.
I did some more tests with [Glowing Twilight Scale], to figure the scaling out.


Disc Tree
Focused Power: +4% Healing
Grace: Not effective

It's weird that the HoT is not considered a healing received from the priest (Grace innefective), and at the same time it's considered a healing from your spell (Focused Power works). From my understanding these talents should both work or fail. Guess it's a bug.
Hmmm, haven't tested the Holy Talents: Spiritual Healing, Blessed Resilience, and Test of Faith. I wonder if they apply.. If any of you guys happen to check it out, let us know.


Raid Buffs
Improved Devotion Aura/Tree of Life: +6% Healing, calculated together with Focused Power

As I had most of the hots at 443 in Halion, some raid buffs also applies. I suppose it's the ones just listed.


General
ICC Buff: +30% Healing, calculated after talents and buffs



Self-buffed HoTs:
Unspeced: 402 (Base trinket value)
Disc (Focused Power): 418 (+4% ~= 402*1.04)
Disc in ICC (Focused Power + ICC Buff): 544 (+35.3% ~= 402*1.04*1.30)

Raid-buffed HoTs:
Unspeced (Raid Buff): 426 (+6% ~= 402*1.06)
Disc (Focused Power + Raid Buff): 443 (+10% ~= 402*(1+0.04+0.06))
Disc in ICC (Focused Power + Raid Buff + ICC Buff): 576 (+43.2% ~= 402*(1+0.04+0.06)*1.30)

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Old 09/07/10, 5:33 PM   #181
Miarose
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Runetotem
I haven't seen much, if any talk about crit lately on here. Due to circumstances out of my control, after blizzard changed the T10 set bonus, I am stuck in 277 shadow tier for disc, unless I want to lose the stats to drop down to 4 piece 264 holy tier for the bonus, which I do not. When playing a versatile disc role in raids, ie. tank assisting/healing, shield spamming, is there a point we get to where too much crit is overkill? The 'weight' of crit obviously seems dependent upon your raid role, and if you're lacking in other stat areas.

Ever since the change by Blizz to have our shield glyph heals accurately affected by Divine Aegis, DA's healing has subsequently gone up, making crit seem even more appealing.

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Old 09/07/10, 5:55 PM   #182
Starfire
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Dragonblight
I believe, if you took the shadow tier you would have more haste, not more crit. So I am a bit confused as to what you're asking given you seem to be questioning the difference between shadow tier and healing tier.

By the way, the stats and spellpower won't make up the difference 5% bigger shields will do. However if you're a tank healing Disc priest or a second Disc priest in the raid, I suppose the haste and crit would be far better.

Originally Posted by arison View Post
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 09/07/10, 9:01 PM   #183
Miarose
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Runetotem
Ah, you misunderstood Star, or maybe I phrased poorly. I'm not asking which is better. I'm asking about the value of crit at much higher levels. Is there a point to where it become subject to diminishing returns and rather pointless to gain more? Or possible to have too much.

"If I was gold capped I'd blow it all on drugs and sex." - Phrozenn

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Old 09/07/10, 9:47 PM   #184
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If you're spamming shields and mana isn't an issue, crit is the only secondary stat that makes sense. For anything else, haste is more throughput per point. There isn't a diminishing return necessarily, but depending on your spell makeup some of that critical rating would be better as haste.

edit:

There should be a formula that shows where the benefits change based on your spell usage. For instance, the critical rating conversion is 45.906, while the haste rating conversion is 32.79. So, assuming (falsely) that the throughput increase are the same, haste is already 40% better per rating.

However, for direct heals, Haste gives a flat 1% increase per percentage. Critical gives less, since a critical heal is 1.5 times larger than a normal heal instead of twice as large. I believe that Divine Aegis makes this 1.9. For shielding, haste gives 0 value, and critical gives an increase that is 1.9*20% of your shield value (Power Word: Shield glyph heal).

Perhaps one of the more advanced statistical mathematicians here can confirm the formula that shows at what ratio of direct heals to shields does haste come out as the throughput winner for Discipline priests. This is particularly relevant for Halion if you are the 'upstairs' healer, and a large portion of your heals are direct heals on the tank.

Last edited by Carnathagia : 09/08/10 at 12:12 PM. Reason: Further thoughts

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Old 10/06/10, 4:38 PM   #185
Hegen
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Alleria (EU)
As all of you are aware, the 4.0.1 patch introducing heavily changed mechanics will hit servers any day now. The applicability of the current Priest Healing Compendium thus comes to an end and so does this thread.

In my final revision to the guide, I have appended a new section that contains my notes regarding which guide section needs some work, needs to be rewritten or might still be usable (I was actually surprised there are such sections). If a new guide author wishes to discuss that list, please use PM - expect this thread to be locked pretty soon.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Clarkson
The simple fact is this. We are told to concentrate more. But we can only do that if we are allowed to go considerably faster.

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