Combat/Sub Spreadsheet for 4.0.1 - Page 8

Sparmoro · 10/18/10, 1:50 PM

Yes so AEP value of AP should be close to half the one of the Agi, meaning Agi at 1, AP should be near 0,5 but in mine it's at 0,24.

sp00n · 10/18/10, 1:57 PM

If it was close to 0.5, it would mean that it is nearly as powerful as Agility (remember, 2:1 ratio) - which it simply isn't.
So while 0.24 is at the lower end tier, it is quite possible. Especially if you're looking at Subtlety - I'm also getting 0.25 when I switch to it (from 0.34 in Combat).

ieatpaperbag · 10/18/10, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sparmoro

Yes so AEP value of AP should be close to half the one of the Agi, meaning Agi at 1, AP should be near 0,5 but in mine it's at 0,24.

Remember it was close to 0.5 before 4.0.1 came out when Agility was only worth 1 AP and some crit. Now it's worth 2 AP and some crit, plus every spec gains from 5% extra agility through leather specialization in addition to sinister calling as sp00n mentioned.

Sparmoro · 10/18/10, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by ieatpaperbag

Remember it was close to 0.5 before 4.0.1 came out when Agility was only worth 1 AP and some crit. Now it's worth 2 AP and some crit, plus every spec gains from 5% extra agility through leather specialization in addition to sinister calling as sp00n mentioned.

Oh I remember that Im just saying that I thought twice worst made no sense, but I guess it is what it is. I thought there was a mistake in the H36 cell of the sheet with the /2, but apparently not.

zwartekoning · 10/20/10, 4:36 AM

I'm sorry, but i am new to the subt spec and was wondering if you could sort of point me in the right direction for an explicit rotation. I have tried based on what i saw on the first post but i could not break 5K unbuffed on Hdummy.

I noticed that it seems to be the #1 dps spec since the patch and everyone tells me that i should start here at this forum so please help me out, it is very much appreciated.

Also, please forgive me if this post is in the wrong place....thanks!

minimen456 · 10/20/10, 11:12 AM

Thanks for the Spreadsheet. I have question to ask. Why does it say that I have less dps when I use Rupture Glyph? I mean when I put Rupture Glyph 1 I have less dps then when I put Rupture Glyph 0. I did not touch anything except Character Stats. ps What does RED mean?
http://rapidshare.com/files/42617725...ogueV0.12.xlsx

ieatpaperbag · 10/20/10, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by minimen456

Thanks for the Spreadsheet. I have question to ask. Why does it say that I have less dps when I use Rupture Glyph? I mean when I put Rupture Glyph 1 I have less dps then when I put Rupture Glyph 0. I did not touch anything except Character Stats. ps What does RED mean?
http://rapidshare.com/files/42617725...ogueV0.12.xlsx

RED stands for Relentless Earthsiege Diamond, the Meta gem you should be using as a rogue.

Originally Posted by zwartekoning

I'm sorry, but i am new to the subt spec and was wondering if you could sort of point me in the right direction for an explicit rotation. I have tried based on what i saw on the first post but i could not break 5K unbuffed on Hdummy.

A big part of what you're seeing is, unless you're in a group with other players generating crits, you're missing out on a substantial number of combo points through HAT by DPSing a dummy solo. This is probably making it difficult to attempt the recommended “rotation” in the original post.

sp00n · 10/23/10, 1:47 PM

Few issues:

You have entered "H: Sharpened Scale" twice in the sheet. The lower one (A30) seems to be the non hero version (as the damage increase is lower).
Also you have activated three trinkets: H: DBW, Death's Verdict and War Token.
You could copy the trinket values for H: Death's Verdict and Death's Verdict to the "Reforged Haste" column just like you did with Herkuml (I mean, N/A is correct and all, but it makes comparing the trinkets unnecessarily cumbersome).
You could replace the DPS/Pt column with AP-based EP. No need to add another column. (And if you feel like, you could also make a checkbox to choose whether to use the AEP or the EP values.)

Dauglas · 11/04/10, 2:08 PM

/stopcasting
/cast vanish
/cast stealth

to get MOS Immediately

but can not in raid~~

Jhoff · 11/09/10, 6:30 PM

As for the part about not using revealing strike at 5 combopoints because it's a dps-loss, is it a solution to just use it at 3+ combopoints if you know that your next finisher is going to be offensive and then build up to 5 points?

Feist-Mok · 11/09/10, 7:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jhoff

As for the part about not using revealing strike at 5 combopoints because it's a dps-loss, is it a solution to just use it at 3+ combopoints if you know that your next finisher is going to be offensive and then build up to 5 points?

A Wasted CP is a Wasted CP. If you RvS at 3 CP, then SS at 4 and the glyph procs, just because you don't see the CP go to waste doesn't mean it isn't wasted. It's a bit counterintuitive, but if you think it through, it's pretty clear that it doesn't actually matter. Either RvS is never worth using, always worth using, even if you're sitting at 5 CP's, or only worth using at 4.

Weebz · 11/17/10, 3:08 AM

I'm attempting to make sense of the calculations of your spreadsheet, Lightshadow, and I came across something that is either really weird or it is too late for me to try to do any sort of math.

Hopefully, I'm not missing something quite obvious. Is it decimal related? Again I'm new!

rhalgaln · 11/17/10, 10:06 AM

The math is right, the .038 ist rounded to 2 digits
You get 399009 if you use .3751 for J144

Roacn · 11/28/10, 11:02 PM

When I use the reforge calc at wowreforge, it wants me to reforge all my crit into expertise! That seems really bizarre to me. Every one of my pieces into expertise??

But when I use this spreadsheet, I dont see it tellig me I need that much exp.