The 4.0.1 Rogue FAQ - Page 17

Miradorn · 10/14/10, 2:41 AM

Short question, search function didn't found a matching answer.
On Mutilate weapons: with daggers of equal dps (e.g. 2xLungbreaker, 1xripspreader) which combination, fast/fast, fast/slow or slow/fast? Did anything changed with this since the patch or stays nearly the same than before?

Thank you and greetings.

thebitterfig · 10/14/10, 2:54 AM

Slow MH is preferred due to Backstab below 35% and there will need to be one fast dagger due to DP stacking thus fast OH.

Sillyworld · 10/14/10, 3:06 AM

Is it me or did mongoose get nerfed already my cooldown timers show it has a ICD now and the proc rate seems REALLY low

Cissalie · 10/14/10, 3:07 AM

Originally Posted by zhrgg

I think it's a good idea to start with Garrote to get Venomous Wounds proccing ASAP.

You might be right as far as the math goes, it's really not my strong point, the reason I do Ambush is for the 2 CP so I can get a Rupture in while I stack up my 5 DP, as well as SnD being low by the time I get to Envenom...it just seems to work smoother but I'm still in the "test out everything" stage so I can't say for certain.

paulsen · 10/14/10, 3:14 AM

Originally Posted by Sillyworld

Is it me or did mongoose get nerfed already my cooldown timers show it has a ICD now and the proc rate seems REALLY low

I just tested it, ICD seems to be 45 seconds still (atleast on EU servers). I dont notice any lower proc rate.

Sillyworld · 10/14/10, 3:16 AM

Originally Posted by paulsen

I just tested it, ICD seems to be 45 seconds still (atleast on EU servers). I dont notice any lower proc rate.

Before patch mongoose did't have an ICD right?, God it's been so long since i used mongoose. And for proc rate, WFS procs more for me then mongoose

Miradorn · 10/14/10, 3:22 AM

Originally Posted by thebitterfig

Slow MH is preferred due to Backstab below 35% and there will need to be one fast dagger due to DP stacking thus fast OH.

What about fast/fast till 35% and weaponswitching after that? ist fast/fast still better when mutilating or not?

paulsen · 10/14/10, 3:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sillyworld

Before patch mongoose did't have an ICD right?, God it's been so long since i used mongoose. And for proc rate, WFS procs more for me then mongoose

Gah, you're right. Forgive me for being stupid. Mongoose didnt have a ICD before, but it was guessed that it had been normalized (but not limited by) a PPM of 1. I dont know if it has a ICD now.

Feist-Mok · 10/14/10, 3:32 AM

Originally Posted by paulsen

I just tested it, ICD seems to be 45 seconds still (atleast on EU servers). I dont notice any lower proc rate.

I just did a quick test and had Mongoose refresh itself.

The uptime does feel low, but it does not appear to have a cooldown.

Sillyworld · 10/14/10, 3:41 AM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

I just did a quick test and had Mongoose refresh itself.

The uptime does feel low, but it does not appear to have a cooldown.

You're using mongoosex2 right? it might of been the other one
[23:59:14] >> Lightning Speed is ready in 26.3 <<
That's what my cooldown timer shows atfer mongoose procs.

paraa · 10/14/10, 3:46 AM

Can´t find a recommended rotation. Is it like this?

SS to 5cp > SnD, SS to 4cp then RS to 5 cp > Rupture, ss to 4 cp then RS to 5 cp > Eviscerate?

Or what is the way to go?

zhrgg · 10/14/10, 3:47 AM

Mongoose procs are separate, so the only way it could have refreshed itself is if there was no ICD. Are you sure the addon isn't just bugging out?

Edit: Or if the ICD was 14 seconds or shorter.

paulsen · 10/14/10, 3:49 AM

Originally Posted by paraa

Can´t find a recommended rotation. Is it like this?

SS to 5cp > SnD, SS to 4cp then RS to 5 cp > Rupture, ss to 4 cp then RS to 5 cp > Eviscerate?

Or what is the way to go?

Correct, except (as always) you always need to prioritize SnD. Dont use RvS if you get procced to 5 cps by SS glyph.

darkmisfit · 10/14/10, 3:50 AM

Originally Posted by Sillyworld

You're using mongoosex2 right? it might of been the other one
[23:59:14] >> Lightning Speed is ready in 26.3 <<
That's what my cooldown timer shows atfer mongoose procs.

The mongoose proc from one weapon, will not refresh the lightning speed buff from another. It will proc its own.

Sillyworld · 10/14/10, 3:54 AM

Originally Posted by zhrgg

Mongoose procs are separate, so the only way it could have refreshed itself is if there was no ICD. Are you sure the addon isn't just bugging out?

Oh that's weird you're right it is buging out and saying it has cooldown