The 4.0.1 Rogue FAQ - Page 2

Slayer101 · 10/06/10, 7:43 PM

For combat, would it make sense to use wound poison on the MH as you no longer get the 40% additional proc from Improved poisons? (Assuming the base procs are still 20%/50% for Instant/Wound respectively)

Lightshadow · 10/06/10, 8:46 PM

Originally Posted by Slayer101

For combat, would it make sense to use wound poison on the MH as you no longer get the 40% additional proc from Improved poisons? (Assuming the base procs are still 20%/50% for Instant/Wound respectively)

It might, depending on your AP, Mastery, and OH speed. (More OH swings means more deadly procs which is a much bigger benefit to instant poison). I've updated the 4.0.1 combat spreadsheet to include calculations for wound (automatically switching if wound would be more damage). For the default gear at least, it's a very small (~2%) DPS gain to use wound, though if you geared heavily for mastery and had full 277 gear I suspect it wouldn't be.

fierydemise · 10/06/10, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

1) I've heard rumors that STS is actually haste and not crit on PTR. I don't have one so I've been unable to confirm.

Wowhead show STS having crit on it, not haste
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jerrysimon · 10/06/10, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by korner

Maybe, this is worth adding to the first post:

Due to the changed combat ratings, the caps are different in 4.0.1:
White hit cap: 579
Spell hit cap: 289
Expertise cap: 200

We need 32.79 hit rating now per 1% hit chance.(3.3.5,LV80)
And we need 30.7548 hit rating on cata per 1% hit chance.(4.0,LV80)

So the white hit cap is:
3/3 precision:646
2/3 precision:707
1/3 precision:769
0/3 precision:830

Do I miss something?

envy860 · 10/06/10, 10:34 PM

STS is indeed crit, but are these values taking in to account that you can reforge certain trinkets also? You can reforge 73 haste onto H: STS and 66 onto H: DBW. Not completely ideal, but it seems like the procs are still quite strong. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

kidpreacher · 10/06/10, 10:42 PM

In Sub spec wouldn't Initiative be a better fill spot instead of premed and Enveloping Shadows? Solely because it will be useful during Shadow Dance, as opposed to once or twice per fight as premed would. Granted none of the three are great choices, but a more useful filler perhaps?

Kildrazien · 10/06/10, 11:00 PM

Weapon Enchants?
There's reason to believe that Mongoose passes Berserking, and most estimates show that Black Magic passes both for the OH. Though it might be worth verifying that Black Magic still procs off poisons - I've heard people assert both that it does and that it doesn't.

I use black magic all of the time with 2 gearsets, one i swap to for 2 zerkings and one i swap to every 35 or so seconds (cooldown on black magic) and it currently shows a dps increase on dummies.

Feist-Mok · 10/07/10, 12:01 AM

An additional note on enchants in 4.0: Engineering Tinkers now stack with enchants. This means that you can have Nitro Boosts (which no longer have crit) and Cat's Swiftness on your boots (Mutilate should probably get +16 Agi instead of Icewalker). +20 Agi, AND Hyperspeed Accelerators on gloves. (or +44 AP, though I highly doubt that will come out as superior.).

Meggriffin · 10/07/10, 2:28 AM

What about ideal rotation for Assasination?

With new talents Venomous Wounds i think we need now a 4+ High Rupture Cycle

Belegûr · 10/07/10, 2:41 AM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

An additional note on enchants in 4.0: Engineering Tinkers now stack with enchants (...) on boots (...) [and] on gloves.

Does this also apply to cloak enchants?

messer · 10/07/10, 3:15 AM

what about haste agi/haste haste/hit gems for assassination?

Feist-Mok · 10/07/10, 4:00 AM

Originally Posted by Belegûr

Does this also apply to cloak enchants?

Yes. As of the last beta build, the Flexweave Underlay still gives 23 Agi, but I'd presume that's a bug which will be fixed. If it doesn't, +45 Agi to cloaks for engineers ahoy!

sp00n · 10/07/10, 7:13 AM

As for reforging, you definitely want to do Crit -> Haste if you are near BiS. I was harshly crit capped when I copied my character to PTR, even after replacing all my shiny new crit gems (...) with agility.
I was able to replace 238 crit rating with haste, which helped a lot, and also offered other gem choices besides 20 hit on blue sockets (even to the point where a single 4 agility bonus wasn't worth a blueish gem anymore).

And wow, is Herkuml really that good now?

natox · 10/07/10, 8:25 AM

1) If there is crit on H:Scale and not haste as Aldriana assumed, would the trinket order be HWT > H:Verdict > all?
2) Do we have to switch back to the agility cloak enchant? What's about +20 agi on gloves instead of +44 ap?
3) Do we already know, which poisons will be the best option for combat?

Saweni · 10/07/10, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by natox

1) If there is crit on H:Scale and not haste as Aldriana assumed, would the trinket order be HWT > H:Verdict > all?
2) Do we have to switch back to the agility cloak enchant? What's about +20 agi on gloves instead of +44 ap?

1) Considering H: DBW, the passive bonus is only a little better (+17 crit), but H: DBW has 2 procs out of 3 that presumably might be better than H: STS (700 haste, 700 agi) and the third proc is not too far behind H: STS (1400 instead of 1472). In fact H: STS should be reasonably near H: DBW and it might even be a little worse due to how haste and agi procs overtake H: STS 's. The last point is quite subjective.

2) This one seems quite obvious, with the new BoK 20 agi is worth +42 ap and a certain amount of physical crit rating.
I feel like the crit gain will be worth losing 2 ap even for mutilate where crit (and especially physical-only crit) is a terrible stat.

Edit : Damn those smileys made my eyes hurt so hard.
Edit again : This I remembered only after having posted, sorry.