The gem optimizer is purely EP-based, and if EP values change substantially (particularly if that hit gem put you over the spell hit cap), then the optimizer is going to be wrong. It'll be right whenever gem swapping doesn't affect your effective EP values substantially, but if a change does cause big EP changes, it might conflict with the DPS change.

When in doubt, trust the DPS number from the engine over the gem/reforge optimizers.

Caffeine's app and mine *should* be using the same engine, so it's possible that some inputs were different (glyphs, talents, buffs, reforges?) if you're getting conflicting results, though.

The values on the gem list are EP values, and they factor in the socket bonus. For example, if you have a red gem, and a red socket, the red gem's value is going to be (stat * EP) + (socket bonus * ep / slots); the idea is that picking this gem, assuming you're matching sockets, is worth that much EP.

I'll check on the recommended reforging bug - can you link me to your sheet? It should be using EP values, so it shouldn't ever suggest mastery over haste unless mastery has a higher EP value at the moment.

Ah, the gem optimizer seemed to result in a DPS gain when excluding all raid buffs/debuffs but in a loss with them enabled, so it all seems to be working as intended.

And you're totally right, I had forgot I had raid buffs/debuffs off on Caffeine's app and after enabling them results are similiar.

About the gems, still - I don't get how a Delicate Inferno Ruby for example could be worth more DPS in a prismatic socket than in a blue socket. Is it normalized somehow, maybe? However, a Delicate Inferno Ruby is still worth as much in a blue as in a yellow socket so this observation was clearly too hastly made on my hand.

The problem with the recommended reforging is still confusing me since I'm optimally reforged according to both your application and the complete reforger tool (I assume the code is the same). I can't really spot the pattern of it since it recommends hit on many places, haste on a lot of other items and then suddenly mastery on one item. On some items it's according to the already existing reforge (aka optimal) but otherwise it's completely out of nowhere, since it never suggests to reforge into expertise and with the suggested reforging I'd clearly not reach the expertise cap.

Anyways, you better have a look at it on Garotherno @ Auchindoun-EU - ShadowCraft (I hope that works?)

You should get a link with a bunch of characters after it - that contains all the state, so I can look at exactly what you're looking at. Try Chrome or Firefox 4 if you're not getting it.

Garotherno @ Auchindoun-EU - ShadowCraft

Thought it wasn't needed and just unnecessarily extending my post.

EDIT: Oh, nefty linking there.

I seem to have a difference of 20 agility that I have on Caffeine's and do not have on yours. I believe I found the discrepency and it appears that the socket bonus from the engineering helm isnt being applied, however I could be mistaken so feel free to double check it. Setting that aside every thing looks great, fantastic job.

Draklian @ Frostmourne-US

Browser: Google Chrome

Trigger: Loading a Saved gear set.

Issue: The gear set loads but the page stops showing any change in dps numerically or graphically. The only way to fix this is clearing the cookies which wipes the saved gear sets.

Elimite, can you give me steps to reproduce the issue? In Chrome, you can hit ctrl-shift-j to pull up the error console, as well, to see if there were any Javascript errors.

If you run into a "bugged" state, copy the whole URL, and I can recreate your exact setup from it.

Okay, I think I got that fixed - the Mutilate rotation options were being passed as strings rather than ints. Try toggling them if you're still broken.

Hello Antiarc, I've got some issues with the dps graph on the right.

My understanding is that you should be able to click on individual dots and revert the spreadsheet to previous states, am I right about that? Sadly it seems to be a bit bugged.

There is one list of steps that can reproduce the bug for me:
0) Clear all your cookies and saved data.
1) Load my character into the spreadsheet, it's showing 13377.3 DPS (no raid buffs are enabled).
2) Go "settings" tab and enable food buff (13555.6 DPS) and agility flask (14154.1 DPS).
3) Click on the middle dot - that should uncheck agility flask and go back to 13555.6 DPS. Instead, the checkbox stays as it is and graph drops down to a new state of 11804.1 DPS.
4) At this moment, the engine (represented by the dps graph) totally stops responding on all buff/talent/gear/checkpoint changes.

Another minor issue is that Killing Spree and Revealing Strike dropdown menus don't have their default selection displayed. And particularly Killing Spree doesn't reflect your selection at all (dps changes, but your choice isn't displayed in the textbox).

One more minor issues I encountered is in the talent calculator. With my default talent set, it allows me to take 2 points away from Coup the Grace (should not happen because then I have 2/2 Quickening with only 3/3 Leathality in previous tier), but then it doesn't allow me to take away points neither from Quickening nor Lethality.

I am using brand new Chrome 10. Also tried my main browser - Firefox 3.6.9 - but there seems to be multiple bugs in the interface when using this old school browser.


Thank you in advance for checking those.

Hrm. I developed it in Chrome, so I don't expect any major issues there, but I'll happily check it out and see what I can find.

Edit: Nevermind, I just broke that a bit ago with another fix. Will have it patched shortly.

Edit again: Fixed. You can go to the cogwheel -> reset all data to wipe out any bad saved data.

Edit the third: Still some bugs with the graph. Fixing those.

Seems to work fine here - what you linked has combat talents and glyphs, I hit auto reforge and it gave me this: Surprise @ Wrathbringer-EU - ShadowCraft

What browser are you using?