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Old 03/22/11, 10:45 AM   #226
Lanwa
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Die Nachtwache (EU)
Originally Posted by Antiarc View Post
Item EP is calculated based on the weights you see on the sheet, but it's considering socket bonuses and potential reforges, as well.
That's what i thought but unfortunatly it could be broken.

I use Double Dealing Bracers (heroic) and they are stated as 666.0 base, 16.0 reforge, 0.0 gem. After using auto-reforge and optimal gemming I got a estimated dps of 19830.1.

When switching to Poison Fang Bracers (heroic) - stated as 633.1, 22.3, 0.0 - and using both otimizations I got an estimated dps of 19846.3. This is just a little bit above the other bracers but from EP value they are just lower.

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Old 03/22/11, 11:26 AM   #227
Crosshairs
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Burning Legion
Originally Posted by Antiarc View Post
I'm running Chrome 11.0.696.14-dev, which works fine for me. If you open the error console (ctrl-shift-j) do you have any errors there? What behaviors are you seeing?
I do not get any errors.

* I can load my character
* I can change gear
* I can auto gem and auto reforge
* I cannot see the dps. (--- DPS is the only thing that I see on the right side)

Not sure but guessing
It appears to try to assume I'm combat based on the gear choices it is saying are better for me.

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Old 03/22/11, 12:13 PM   #228
Omniwank
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It seems that the talent ranking numerical values do not update as talent points are invested/removed. I notice that the bars representing their values change, and the glyph DPS values are also updated, but the numerical values for the talents will remain the same despite moving up (or down) the rank list.

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Old 03/22/11, 12:58 PM   #229
thirus
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Were the changes that have been made to DMC:H in patch 4.0.6. applied to the spreadsheet?
If you wonder about what changes I am talking about I refer to this post Cataclysm Mechanics Testing .

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Old 03/22/11, 1:48 PM   #230
zetent
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Regarding the automatic gem optimizer I've noticed on my profile it removes my jewelcrafting gems.

I'm sitting on 11.0.969.16 Chrome Dev for what it matters.

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Old 03/22/11, 1:49 PM   #231
• Aldriana
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Given that even to this day we still haven't seen any actual proc rate testing for the trinket, what's in the calculations is, to the best of my knowledge, still the guess I made in late beta. I don't see much point in fiddling with the crit behavior and so forth when the proc rate is still a straight guess.

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Old 03/22/11, 3:50 PM   #232
jaxdahl
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Originally Posted by zetent View Post
Regarding the automatic gem optimizer I've noticed on my profile it removes my jewelcrafting gems.

I'm sitting on 11.0.969.16 Chrome Dev for what it matters.
Working fine for me - JCing is checked when I look at it with the armory-loaded settings. Next time you link it, copy and paste the full URL so we are both looking at the same thing.

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Old 03/22/11, 4:02 PM   #233
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I've applied a number of fixes, the most important being that if a websocket connection can't be established, it'll automatically fallback to a proxied AJAX post. This should make the tool work even when behind restrictive firewalls. Let me know if you have any further issues with it.

Opera 11 should work now, too, though various visual elements are screwed up with it.

I just fixed JC gem selection, too, which is why you probably got the right results, jaxdahl. The problem is that it was taking the first "delicate" match to compute the non-JC EP for the socket, but the first match was the JC gem. It should be fixed up nicely now.

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Old 03/22/11, 7:52 PM   #234
thirus
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Originally Posted by Aldriana View Post
Given that even to this day we still haven't seen any actual proc rate testing for the trinket, what's in the calculations is, to the best of my knowledge, still the guess I made in late beta. I don't see much point in fiddling with the crit behavior and so forth when the proc rate is still a straight guess.
I don't know if you missed it, but there was quite a few testing happening on page 8 of the thread Cataclysm Mechanics Testing and it kinda nailed down the 1ppm proc rate + some special attacks like Main Gauche and Rupture were tested also. And there is no fiddling with the crit rate. Pre 4.0.6. it was the spellcritrate and with 4.0.6. it's the meleecritrate shown in your charactersheet. If there are still any unclarities for you just let me know. I will sort them out.

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Old 03/22/11, 9:04 PM   #235
ominae
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Azjol-Nerub
Delicate Chimera's Eye isn't showing up with the other gems when trying to socket different gear. The ones that are already in my gear show up fine, but I select them for different sockets.

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Old 03/22/11, 9:14 PM   #236
Matl1
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Talnivarr (EU)
A few questions
After Auto-Reforging everything, the sheet wants me to get loads of hit to reach the spell hit cap. Since ieatpaperbag's EP numbers are for T11 heroic gear and my gear is dungeon heroics and a few raid pieces, I can understand that the EP values are a bit different, but is it really correct that I should have so much hit? And why exactly is the hit needed on normal raid bosses (the raids I do) so different from heroic bosses? And at what point will my hit try to come closer to the yellow hit cap?
Here is my profile BEFORE the auto reforge (I used ieatpaperbag's EP values to make the best out of my gear. You can try and reforge to see what I am talking about.

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Old 03/22/11, 9:24 PM   #237
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I think it's just incidental. Your best secondary stats are Expertise, Haste, and Spell Hit, in that order. It's reforging expertise to the cap, then haste (if the gear doesn't have haste already), then hit. I don't think it's explicitly trying to give you more hit, but it doesn't have better options for you. A lot of your gear already has haste on it, so its next best options are expertise (useless if at the cap) and hit (which it's selecting). In the case of your cloak, it selects mastery (since it has hit and haste on it, and it can't get you right to the expertise cap by reforging that piece to expertise).

That said, your profile reveals something funky going on with cogwheels, and the Left Eye trinket is still appearing oddly high in the rankings.

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Old 03/22/11, 10:22 PM   #238
• Aldriana
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I think at least part of the trinket ranking issue is inconsistency over which "hit" value you're using to score. For instance, Fluid Death for me is showing as 1223.5 base, 67.7 reforge, 0.0 gem, 1501.2 total which... doesn't add up. But its (roughly) consistent with the first two values being scored as white hit and the total as yellow hit. I suspect in general you want to score hit with the spell hit EP for combat/sub and the mastery EP for Assassination, but it might be a good idea to have an option somewhere where people can set how they want to deal with hit for EP purposes.

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Old 03/22/11, 11:03 PM   #239
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In theory, it should be scoring based on your current stats minus whatever's equipped in that slot. I noticed it not adding up, though, but I suspect your hunch about it scoring on yellow hit is right.

In Matl's profile, Left Eye is scoring very high, but I think it's because the static expertise isn't being counted appropriately (still). It should be subtracting the effective value of the trinket from current stats before computing its relative value, but it seems to not be doing that for some reason.

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Old 03/22/11, 11:08 PM   #240
• Aldriana
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I'm not sure what you're seeing - when I load his profile I show Left Eye in 12th. What are the EP values you're getting for the top handful of trinkets + Eye?

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