ShadowCraft: Rogue spreadsheet for 4.0 - Page 36

nextormento · 07/16/11, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

2pc damage for both our rogues yesterday hovered around 1.6-1.8%. Including trash mobs, it was even at 1.5%.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis , look for "Brennende Wunden", I didn't have the 2pc bonus until after Shannox.
<snip>

I'm a bit bussy now, so if someone else wants to correctly model the set behaviour go ahead. Otherwise I may tackle it next week. However I would like some more testing on the matter before going knee down on special casing, that is: 1- is this munching bug replicable with killing spree's main hand component? and 2- do we have instances of it happening on rapid succession of white crits along with specials?.

For those curious, current modelling of the proc is akin to the description privided by sp00n, which is equal to our findings during beta (bar the munching): it procs from all melee strikes and swings (RvS/ambush/hemo/KsP were not on that list but we do have if proccing off of them); it doesn't crit; and it doesn't double dip the benefit from Vendetta. Also, damage procs (like this set or any other damage trinket) don't benefit at all from killing spree nor bandit's guile, which may need to get fixed at some point; for clarification: the set damage is computed from crit attacks before the KsP/BG modifiers are applied to them.

theoriginalmre · 07/18/11, 7:54 PM

The Stat Weights are currently not appearing on the Shadowcraft webpage. They were working fine yesterday, but have now vanished when I load my char in. This results in it showing "0 dps" and not being able to reforge etc.

Is Shadowcraft currently down?

crawleysnipe · 07/19/11, 1:58 PM

OK I will most likely get killed for asking this, but here goes. I have been using Mr Robot (don't kill me!). I have just been checking out Shadowcraft and it says to completely re-do all my gems to Delicate Infernal Rubys. I should do this even tho I will lose socket bonuses? One last dumb question, is there a place (I don't see anything on Shadowcraft) that will tell me the optimal gear for my combat rogue? thx for all the help (and criticism that I know is coming).

sinnaa · 07/19/11, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by crawleysnipe

OK I will most likely get killed for asking this, but here goes. I have been using Mr Robot (don't kill me!). I have just been checking out Shadowcraft and it says to completely re-do all my gems to Delicate Infernal Rubys. I should do this even tho I will lose socket bonuses? One last dumb question, is there a place (I don't see anything on Shadowcraft) that will tell me the optimal gear for my combat rogue? thx for all the help (and criticism that I know is coming).

Depends on the socket bonus. Generally speaking, agil socket bonuses are worth getting and non-agil aren't. So if it is having you switch things away from where you will get set bonuses, you may need to stop and look at it real quick. Honestly though, Shadowcraft is what you want to use, so stop using mr. robot.

Additionally, you will probably need to go under the settings tab and scroll down and set it to 4.2 experimental.

As for testing combat. Simply log out of the game while spec'ed for combat and then go back to shadowcraft, click the cog wheel, and refresh from armory. It should update you as combat. If you are still having problems, you can go to the talents tab, load up stock combat, and just manually select your gear on the gear tab.

haima · 07/19/11, 7:50 PM

I'm getting some strange suggestions from the spread sheet. the weights on the left have haste (1.21) > mastery (1.16). EJ assassination thread shows them closer but mastery being better in both t11 and t12. Now the spread sheet suggests that I pretty much forge out of mastery for haste. that can't be right. any idea what's up? I double-checked to make sure it wasn't treating me as combat or some such. that's all I could think of.

This issue is new as of 4.2.

• Aldriana · 07/19/11, 8:36 PM

The 4.2 changes to Assassination as a tree increased the value of Haste relative to Mastery, which may in some cases - using the old 4.2 model - result in haste passing mastery. However, since then I also made some cycle improvements to the model which - as it turns out - increase the value of Mastery relative to Haste; these values should more accurately reflect the realities of the Assassination cycle. So the answers you're seeing are probably correct for the model you're using; however, I recommend switching to 4.2 (experimental) instead, which will give more accurate results (and, coincidentally, bumps Mastery back ahead of Haste by a healthy margin).

theoriginalmre · 07/19/11, 10:06 PM

EDIT: Ignore this post. I wasn't aware this issue had already been discussed.

So I've finally figured out what was causing the annoying error with my Shadowcraft.

Apparently, having either of the trinkets [Hungerer] or [Hungerer] (heroic) equipped to your character does not affect the DPS gain/loss. If you load up your character with either of these trinkets equipped from the start, the Stat Weights do not show at all, and thus it shows DPS as 0.

Can I confirm this is currently a bug? Or have I just done something wrong?

alitzia · 07/20/11, 9:35 AM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

The 4.2 changes to Assassination as a tree increased the value of Haste relative to Mastery, which may in some cases - using the old 4.2 model - result in haste passing mastery. However, since then I also made some cycle improvements to the model which - as it turns out - increase the value of Mastery relative to Haste; these values should more accurately reflect the realities of the Assassination cycle. So the answers you're seeing are probably correct for the model you're using; however, I recommend switching to 4.2 (experimental) instead, which will give more accurate results (and, coincidentally, bumps Mastery back ahead of Haste by a healthy margin).

I'm sorry if this question is stupid and if so please feel free to delete. I've been looking around an am unable to find how to use the 4.2 model instead. How do I access that? I am getting a similar issue in that the web front end is having me reforge to haste instead of mastery.

ninjawhite · 07/20/11, 9:43 AM

Originally Posted by alitzia

I'm sorry if this question is stupid and if so please feel free to delete. I've been looking around an am unable to find how to use the 4.2 model instead. How do I access that? I am getting a similar issue in that the web front end is having me reforge to haste instead of mastery.

Click the settings tab. Scroll down to General settings. Click the drop down box by "Engine" and change from "4.2" To "4.2 (experimental)"

Newb1e · 07/20/11, 9:50 AM

There seems to be an error with the "Auto-Reforge All" button when I'm wearing a certain combination of items. If I load up my character (this one) and change my Main Hand Weapon from Feeding Frenzy to Avool's Incendiary Shanker the reforging button just seems to break somehow. If I click it, it will display the "Optimizing reforges..." message for a while and eventually end without changing any reforges on my gear and displaying "error" in the top right corner. Can anyone else reproduce this and/or explain what's happening since I've never encountered this problem up to now?

(My gear might change in the future, so here's what I was wearing when this occured:
Wind Dancer's Helmet (359), Necklace of Strife (359), Dark Phoenix Spaulders (378), Sleek Flamewrath Cloak (378), Breastplate of the Incendiary Soul (378), Flickering Wristbands of the Stormblast (378), Feeding Frenzy (378), Scalesclicer, Dark Phoenix Gloves (378), Flamebinding Girdle (378), Cinderweb Leggings (378), Treads of the Craft, Lightning Conductor Band (372), Matoclaw's Band, Prestor's Talisman of Machination (372), Fluid Death, Arbalest of Erupting Fury (378))

natox · 07/20/11, 2:37 PM

The new 4pc scales with trinket proccs. So when my Hungerer proccs and I use tricks and get Future on Fire, (the haste one) I get way more haste. Do you model it that way or is that something new?

• Aldriana · 07/20/11, 2:52 PM

Yes, that's accounted for.

tigernat · 07/20/11, 7:10 PM

ShadowCraft bug:

I know it is not optimal, but one day it could be. Skinning is not showing up as +80 crit rating when looking at stats.

Naihan · 07/21/11, 12:38 AM

Referring to the "4.2 (experimental)," has this become the default setting now? I noticed that my haste EP plummeted a significant amount overnight without my changing any settings whatsoever.

Antiarc · 07/21/11, 1:51 AM

Yeah, the experimental engine is baseline now.