ShadowCraft: Rogue spreadsheet for 4.0 - Page 39

Artoxia · 08/03/11, 4:49 AM

I Just checked your Char (Ascari@Elune) and Shadowcraft shows a dps increase of about 250 when switching to flamebinding girdle.. dont forget to optimize gems und reforging after you changed an item.

Modnoc · 08/03/11, 1:08 PM

I cannot use Auto-reforge on Shadowcraft suddenly.
It keeps spitting out "error" message every time I try.
If I spam click the auto-reforge button it will give me about 6 or so error messages and then hang, displaying "optimizing", but nothing happens.
Is this on my end or is something broken? Perhaps something weird with gear? Thanks for any help or ideas.

EDIT: just tried to use Auto-reforge with another rogue's character and got error messages as well.

EDIT 2: Nevermind, figured it out - was No Script blocking shadowref2.appspot.com.

Speaker · 08/04/11, 2:18 AM

I'm having the same problem Modnoc. What did you do to fix this auto-reforge error problem?

Edit: I don't know why, but after clearing my internet history i can reforge again.

omnimon3000 · 08/04/11, 10:04 AM

If it would not be too much too ask, would it be possible to implement a rotation changer in?

For example:

2 rotations to choose from for Sub:

The Basic Subtlety Rotation...

And the one that takes into account hemorrhage every 23s...

Avah · 08/04/11, 7:09 PM

Hey, I was wondering about shadowcraft vs the reforger tool. If i use ep values taken from the asass guide and apply them, 2 particular Ruthless glad items come below 2 same slot 359 items, but when I use shadowcraft, it tells me that the PvP items are better. Essentially my question is; is shadowcraft more accurate with its ep values because it uses your current set bonus as a determining factor or should i trust the asass guide ep values?

Antiarc · 08/04/11, 8:20 PM

The thread EP values are for a best-in-slot gear setup. Shadowcraft's EP values are specific to your current gear/talent setup.

Chaos_effect · 08/06/11, 9:56 AM

Does shadowcraft take into account set bonuses when calculating potential dps? I'm asking because after replacing my Wind Dancer's chest for the Dark Phoenix (and losing my two piece bonus) shadowcraft reported a net loss of 100 dps even restat'd and reforged.

Enzo90910 · 08/06/11, 8:54 PM

Originally Posted by Chaos_effect

Does shadowcraft take into account set bonuses when calculating potential dps? I'm asking because after replacing my Wind Dancer's chest for the Dark Phoenix (and losing my two piece bonus) shadowcraft reported a net loss of 100 dps even restat'd and reforged.

Do you have the "Tricks of the Trade on cooldown" setting activated? If not, your 4pc T12 bonus is actually worthless :-) I made this same mistake.

Scoparli · 08/06/11, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chaos_effect

Does shadowcraft take into account set bonuses when calculating potential dps? I'm asking because after replacing my Wind Dancer's chest for the Dark Phoenix (and losing my two piece bonus) shadowcraft reported a net loss of 100 dps even restat'd and reforged.

Yes as stated before in a previous post although not shown, it does take tier sets into account.

PikaPika1006 · 08/07/11, 1:26 PM

Is shadowmeld supported for the sub and mutilate modules? You're able to garrote and ambush out of it now, not sure since when though.

omnimon3000 · 08/08/11, 10:03 AM

Holy! Sheyt? Really? You can Ambush out of Shadowmeld now? That's a really big boost to Sub PvE Dps O_o Must try now!
If this is true, that's another 10s of Find Weakness which means this will solidify the single target lead of Subtlety among the other specs if you are a night elf( Which I am)

EDIT:
Just tested this, this is tru! you can ambush out of shadowmeld now. Although the main skill bar does not change into your stealth bar when you shadowmeld so you need to keybind ambush somehwre else.

I personally tested it by clicking the ambush in my spellbook while shadowmelded

THIS IS AWESOME!

EDIT2:
Anyone know a way for bartender to recognize shadowmeld as stealth? or at elast a paging costumization wherein you edit it and when you are shadowmelded, it automatically pages the abr to yuor stealth abr? cause I personally am out of bindings and my muscle memory won't feel good if my ambush binding becomes different

Jaybird · 08/08/11, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by omnimon3000

Holy! Sheyt? Really? You can Ambush out of Shadowmeld now? That's a really big boost to Sub PvE Dps O_o Must try now!
If this is true, that's another 10s of Find Weakness which means this will solidify the single target lead of Subtlety among the other specs if you are a night elf( Which I am)

EDIT:
Just tested this, this is tru! you can ambush out of shadowmeld now. Although the main skill bar does not change into your stealth bar when you shadowmeld so you need to keybind ambush somehwre else.

I personally tested it by clicking the ambush in my spellbook while shadowmelded

THIS IS AWESOME!

EDIT2:
Anyone know a way for bartender to recognize shadowmeld as stealth? or at elast a paging costumization wherein you edit it and when you are shadowmelded, it automatically pages the abr to yuor stealth abr? cause I personally am out of bindings and my muscle memory won't feel good if my ambush binding becomes different

Hmm ... thinking of transferring my Worgen to Nelf now. I think for Sub Nelf is already better because of higher Agility - has anyone done the maths on this?

You can probably just be able to macro Shadowmeld and Ambush into a single keybind - although you might have to hit the button twice (but this might be preferred anyway so you can meld without auto-ambushing)

PikaPika1006 · 08/08/11, 11:20 AM

the [stealth] macro conditional works with shadowmeld, so
/cast [stealth]ambush;backstab
works fine.

As for nelf being better than worgen due to agi, nelf only has a base agi advantage, which is extremely minimal.

omnimon3000 · 08/08/11, 11:25 AM

Found a way to page shadowmeld with bartender, just place this on your custom conditionals:

[bonusbar:5]11;[stance:1]7;[stealth]7;[stance:3]7;0

__________________________________________________
IF:
[stance:1] = stealth >>>> go to page 7
[stealth] = stealth like abiltiies >>>> go to page 7
[stance:3] == shadow dance >>>> go to page 7
0 = default

And yeah, night elves are the best for PvE Subtlety now seeing that with my current gear set-up:

Worgen racial increases dps by 220 dps

while

Elusiveness talent (reduces cd of vanish by 1 min ( effectively 1/3)) by 177.6 dps

And since shadowmeld is like an extra 2 min vanish... it will theoretically increase your dps by 177.6 x 3 = 532.8 dps!

SO YEAH! NIGHT ELF SUBTLETY ROGUES FTW!

EDIT:
Thinking at it again... it may just be 177.6x2 = 345.2 dps
Further testing will be required as this is just an estimate anyway using analogy >_<
(Probably somewhere between 345.2 to 532.8 dps increase)
Still, it is noticeably larger than worgen racial

naknekm · 08/16/11, 10:59 AM

I am having a problem with the SC spreadsheet reforge tool. I am combat, but it keeps telling me to reforge to mastery when I use the auto reforge tool. It seems to recogonize that I am combat, as it shows my spec correctly and the tool shows using KS on cooldown. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance and I did look for the answer before posting.