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Old 10/14/11, 3:40 PM   #661
Moritsume
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Arthas
Is anyone else having trouble using Shadowcraft? It hasn't been loading my character or it will load it but then reforging times out. Seems to have started yesterday.

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Old 10/14/11, 4:18 PM   #662
LuckyGhoul
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Illidan
Getting mostly 502 - Bad Gateway errors whenever I try to connect.

Sometimes I get through, but it won't load characters.

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Old 10/15/11, 9:52 AM   #663
sFx
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Goblin Rogue
 
Warsong
Originally Posted by LuckyGhoul View Post
Getting mostly 502 - Bad Gateway errors whenever I try to connect.

Sometimes I get through, but it won't load characters.
same problem here ='(

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Old 10/15/11, 3:15 PM   #664
Exisled
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Noticing some slow behaviour, for example having to change specs a couple of times before any change is shown.

Also, DPS appears to have increased for me despite no gear changes. Has the modelling been updated?

Edit: My mistake, hadn't noticed that I was using IE on this occasion.

Last edited by Exisled : 10/16/11 at 1:50 PM.

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Old 10/15/11, 5:11 PM   #665
Twoboxer
Glass Joe
 
Troll Rogue
 
Uldaman
Having to change spec (points) to force dps to display is a problem I've had with IE9 since it was installed. When using Chrome, I've never experienced that problem - dps is displayed immediately.

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Old 10/17/11, 3:46 PM   #666
Artoxia
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Frostwolf (EU)
My actual stats weight for master and hit are:

Mastery Rating 1.33
Hit Rating 1.12

Just tested if the ciderweb leggins would be a dps increase for me. Shadowcraft supposes to reforge mastery to hit when using ciderweb legging; any explanations?

After auto reforge the gap between mastery and hit is even higher.

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Old 10/17/11, 3:52 PM   #667
Armanewb
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Executus
Originally Posted by Artoxia View Post
My actual stats weight for master and hit are:

Mastery Rating 1.33
Hit Rating 1.12

Just tested if the ciderweb leggins would be a dps increase for me. Shadowcraft supposes to reforge mastery to hit when using ciderweb legging; any explanations?

After auto reforge the gap between mastery and hit is even higher.
I'm going to guess that you're misreading it, and that you're not spell hit capped. Therefore, pulling off the Shadowcraft page currently for your character, Spell hit is 1.39 EP and Mastery is 1.36 EP, which is why it is telling you to reforge into hit.

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Old 10/18/11, 7:08 AM   #668
Chemii
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
The Sha'tar (EU)
Just something worth noting. If I load up my character and click re-forge, despite re-forging this morning I get told to reforge to a 13.5 loss of DPS. If I press it again it changes and I re-forge back, gaining that 13.5 back.

If I am optimised, should I not stay optimised, or is the math that close that it constantly tries to juggle the numbers?

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Old 10/18/11, 7:51 AM   #669
sp00n
Bald Bull
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Wrathbringer (EU)
This question should really go in some sort of FAQ by now, there seems to be one of this type on every other page now.

Originally Posted by Chemii View Post
or is the math that close that it constantly tries to juggle the numbers?
It is.

And I just noticed, I already answered that question on this very same page.

Last edited by sp00n : 10/18/11 at 7:59 AM.

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Old 10/18/11, 8:51 AM   #670
Chemii
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Human Rogue
 
The Sha'tar (EU)
OK well let me put it another way, if one is a loss and one is a gain then I'd argue it shouldn't recommend the former at all. Feature or not, it would prevent repeats of said question as the popularity of the tool rises and it doesn't tend to happen on any other optimisation tool.

You can easily prevent this by disabling the Auto-Reforge All button (once used) until certain conditions are met, e.g changing a piece of gear, gem or enchant.

Last edited by Chemii : 10/18/11 at 8:53 AM. Reason: Update

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Old 10/18/11, 9:23 AM   #671
Borok Boldhew
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Skywall
Originally Posted by Chemii View Post
...You can easily prevent this by disabling the Auto-Reforge All button (once used) until certain conditions are met, e.g changing a piece of gear, gem or enchant.
At the risk of getting a warning (I cannot help myself) you can also hit the button a whole 2 times! I know that may be asking alot, but damn, these guys work so hard at this and don't need an unappreciating whiner like you messing up the forums.

The ShadowCraft tool is amazing and the best calculator out there for any class, ever, but it is just a tool. Think for yourself instead of relying on pure numbers or write something yourself if you think you can do better.

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Old 10/18/11, 11:51 AM   #672
telethar
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Orc Rogue
 
Firetree
Originally Posted by Chemii View Post
OK well let me put it another way, if one is a loss and one is a gain then I'd argue it shouldn't recommend the former at all. Feature or not, it would prevent repeats of said question as the popularity of the tool rises and it doesn't tend to happen on any other optimisation tool.

You can easily prevent this by disabling the Auto-Reforge All button (once used) until certain conditions are met, e.g changing a piece of gear, gem or enchant.
The feature itself is a reasonable one, check the reforged DPS first and don't change if it is a loss. However it's also probably pretty low priority on the feature list because you can in fact click twice and use the higher one.

To be fair on other optimization tools the stat weight are probably not dynamic, which is what causes the reforge to oscillate in Shadowcraft, and other tools usually recommend sub-optimal reforges, reforging away from the optimal setup that Shadowcraft gives me.

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Old 10/18/11, 11:55 AM   #673
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Doomhammer
I think disabling the button is a bad solution - if it gives me a bad reforge the first time, I'd like to be able to correct that.

Fundamentally, the problem is that actually computing the true optimal reforge takes a really long time; hence, ShadowCraft uses EP values instead of working out the full DPS calculation for every reforge, and uses some clever logic to focus on the reforges that are most likely to be useful to you. But sometimes that clever logic fails to find the best reforges, and sometimes the EP values change enough that it works out to be a DPS loss even if it looked good via EP. And that's unfortunate, certainly, but it's the price you pay for having a reforge button that runs in a couple of seconds instead of a couple of minutes (or even hours). And realistically, given that the underlying calculations aren't perfect anyway, the fact that your reforge is occasionally a handful of DPS off doesn't really reduce the accuracy of the tool by a significant margin.

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Old 10/20/11, 4:07 AM   #674
Artoxia
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Frostwolf (EU)
Seems to be offline at the moment. I'm getting a 502 - bad gateway.

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Old 10/20/11, 6:22 AM   #675
Shadire
Von Kaiser
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Chamber of Aspects (EU)
I can confirm 502 error right now (it also happened yesterday few times for me).

Google Chrome, clearing cookies doesn't help.

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