Swapping weapons reest your swing timer though. But several encounters have some running distance where you can swap your weapon if you like.

Primary Talents

venomous_wounds 1636.00
[..]

DPS Breakdown

[..]
venomous_wounds 1640.33 8.60%


The values of venomous wounds as part of the DPS breakdown and as a primary talent are pretty close to each other - shouldn't they either be exactly the same or the first value a fair amount bigger, as this one should take the energy regen into consideration?

Sort of a coincidence the values are so close to each other. The value in the DPS breakdown is the DPS of the venomous wounds damage proc, the value in the primary talents section is the per point value of the talent, taking all aspects of it into account.

At the risk of asking, this thread has been awfully quiet. Any update on UI development?

I had one person contact me about working on something about two weeks ago. I believe he is attempting to write a new UI from scratch in python, but I haven't heard anything from him in two weeks or so so I can't really comment on how he's doing. So there might be something from that avenue at some point; so far as I know that's the only real development going on right now.

I updated the web UI for 4.0.6: http://shadowcraft-test.appspot.com/

I added the new metagem and bracer enchant, as well as an option on the settings page for a ruptureless combat cycle. The changes to shadowcraft-engine give me the same results as http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t111329-...7/#post1842882, so should be roughly correct.

If you have any problems, I'd prefer private messages via this forum as it will make it easier to follow up of something is unclear.

Any chance to get the new Alchemy trinket in too ?

I did everything in this step and in the post two down from this one. I have Git for windows, Aptana, Ruby, downloaded thin (though not sure where it is even used in this process) and Mongo. I clone shadowcraft-ui and cd to the folder. But when I attempt to 'bundle install' it says the command is not found.

And that is where I am stuck. Any tips would be appreciated. I've never used these programs and did as much research as I could on my own but now am at a dead end.

I played today a bit with Caffeine shadowcraft UI and noticed weird feature.

For combat when my gear was under expertise cap but reforging last bits mastery to expertise to get rid last 0.5% dodges resulted total DPS drop instead, quite weird as EP values for mastery is still much lower than EP value for expertise.

This happened only when tweaking reforged bits near expertise cap, at 1% dodges mst->exp reforge was still DPS gain, but once there was just ~0.5% dodges remaining it suddenly was not ...

I *suppose* it could be caused by different expertise values needed for sword MH / dagger OH as human rogue, but at least Caffeine UI does not show different MH/OH dodges there so I started to wonder if its UI "feature" or shadowcraft engine bug. Unfortunately I don't have time and probably not enough python knowledge either to check it directly from shadowcraft source so i figured i ask here.

It is indeed a UI limitation. ShadowCraft-Engine properly adds racial expertise to the hands where it applies, so only the mainhand in your case.
Before 4.0.6, the EP value of expertise that applied to only one hand was split evenly between main- and offhand, each having close to half the value of "full" expertise. With the main gauche changes in BIS gear I now get:

exp	1.65
mh exp	1.04
oh exp	0.61

I see that non-thrown ranged weapons were added to Caffeine's web UI, I'm wondering if you might consider adding [Kickback 5000] as well. From a 'stat stick' perspective I see it coming out above some of the raid drops due to the large amount of Agility on it (125 with a Delicate Inferno Ruby).

So Antiarc, just clarifying.. Is this update going to allow the use of Shadowcraft without needing all the developer tools (mongodb, ruby, git, etc), or will we still need to have all of those to use it?

The updated interface looks really neat, can't wait for public release.

There is one thing that caught my interest - what is exactly "auto reforge import" you mentioned in your "to do" list? When I saw it, I was just thinking that it would be really useful to build an interface capable of importing results given by Complete Rogue Reforger tool.

With Korner's recent optimalizations, calculation time is usually several seconds. So it would be nice to be able just copy-n-paste results for different gearsets instead of manually going thru the list and adjusting items one by one.

Unless, of course, you plan to integrate your own reforger implementation into ShadowCraft-UI itself.

Really nice progress on the interface, antiarc.

@fae the first versions i saw definitly took care of reforging, gemming and enchanting optimizations.

@nonmagical - I'll be publishing this on the web on my own VM, so you don't have to have any tools to use it. It's designed to be deployed as a web app, so the end user doesn't need any development tools. I know it's a hefty dependency list - it's not designed to be run by your average user.

@Fae - the "auto reforge import" refers to importing reforges from the Armory. Right now, your profile imports without any of your existing reforges intact. Shadowcraft does indeed include a reforger, but it's a hill-stepping reforger, and not an exhaustive one like the Perl version. An import for that might be handy!

I'm currently sort of refactoring all the Javascript, as it's a nasty procedural mess, but once that's done it should help me go ahead and tie off these last few issues quickly. I've procured the VM for the deployment already, so I'm paying for it now, so it's in my interest to go ahead and get this done soon.

What you're working on looks great Antiarc, quick question though.

Will there be a refresh of the current data held on the site and/or the ability to reload from the Armory repeatedly? My character was one of the ones which bugged out and doesn't display anything on the gear sheet at present.

Aldriana and ieatpaperbag deserve equal praise and commendation along with Antiarc.


Will the web app work on all major browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari)? Please tell me I don't have to switch to IE.

@GingerUrza: It'll do fresh imports and you will be able to refresh from the armory. None of the old data will be carried over.

@oldbuster: I appreciate the sentiment, but as Elimite pointed out, there are multiple other people working on other facets of this project, as well, and they deserve as much credit! I'll think about PayPal once I have this actually done and published, but I'm not worrying about it for now.

@Elimite: It'll work best in Safari/Chrome, good in Firefox/IE9, and I do not recommend that it be used in IE8-. I'm developing it in Chrome and cross-testing periodically. When advanced features like local storage and websockets are available, they're being used; when they aren't, there are fallbacks to things like Flash storage and AJAX post requests.

At a minimum, I'm going to ensure that it works in Safari/Chrome/Firefox/IE9, but anything other than that I make no guarantees for. This is a Javascript-heavy app and needs a fast JS engine. Older browsers (particularly older versions of IE) are far too slow.

I recently started trying to optimise my gear and was told the best way to do so was through spreadsheets, although the thing is I have no idea how to get the web interface working, when I go to it and import my character my spec and character name is the only thing that is imported, anything else like my gear isn't shown. Unless I need to add the gear myself or I need to do something else in order to get it working. I also think the OP should be updated maybe with a how to on how to install the full thing onto your computer for people who might not know a lot about computing. Just my opinion anyway, great job though and thanks.

There is nothing to install, you should be [currently] using the Caffeine version linked to in the OP.

Alright, ladles and germs, here we go.

ShadowCraft - Rogue DPS Spreadsheet

Have at it. Bug reports and suggestions welcome.

Edit: Some people are getting 500s upon importing to the armory. Just try again, and it should work.

Thanks for your great work, I really looked forward to this release.

The "Optimize Gems" feature suggested that I replace 20agi/20haste and 20agi/20hit (Combat) on [Wind Dancer's Legguards] which actually showed as a -5 DPS loss, whereas the old Shadowcraft app showed it as a 2 DPS gain.

Its results also differed from Caffeine's app when I mixed around gems on other items aswell. On one item matching a socket bonus came out as a gain on your engine, although the switch wasn't suggested by Optimize Gains, and the switch showed as a loss in Caffeine's app.

The gems also show different DPS values depending on which item I bring them up for, which I find pretty weird. Any reasoning behind this or am I just missing something?

The recommended reforging on an item piece shows for assassination, even though I'm combat. I.e. bringing up a piece I had reforged to haste it suggested reforging into mastery. The DPS values that shows up when you're about to reforge are also for assassination.

The optimal reforging tool however worked perfectly fine and suggested results similiar to the Complete Reforge Tool. Seems to just be the suggesting that uses assassination values.

That's all I've come across so far, but I will be sure to tell you if I find more. Again, thanks for the hard work!