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Old 12/14/10, 1:04 PM   #46
jaysdad
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Drenden
Re: Bug in Spreadsheet

The bug in the current version is due to a missing Combat row (row #3) on the GearList tab. One quick fix (without affecting the formulas) is to copy cells [G2:T4] on the Sorted tab and and paste special (values only) to cells [H2:U4] on the GearList tab.

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Old 12/15/10, 7:26 AM   #47
Shougeki
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They changed Acorn of the Daughter Tree - Item - World of Warcraft in todays hotfix. It is now BIS on that spreadsheet of yours (up from 672 to 716):

# Amulet of Dull Dreaming and Acorn of the Daughter Tree had duplicate stats. That's no fun for anyone! Amulet of Dull Dreaming has a critical strike rating of 112 and a haste rating of 112. Acorn of the Daughter Tree has a mastery rating of 116 and a haste rating of 107.

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Old 12/15/10, 12:38 PM   #48
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You could also add [Don Rodrigo's Fabulous Necklace] which is a world drop.


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Old 12/15/10, 4:02 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Burzolog View Post
At the moment Meta slots are being treated as though they aren't worth any EP at all. Now, I don't really claim to be much of a theorycrafter, but I think I can at least come up with a minimum for how much they're worth. Just take a look at [Destructive Shadowspirit Diamond]. It has pretty much the easiest requirement ever and nets you 54 Crit. With Assassination's Crit EP being the lowest, I think it's safe to say that a Meta slot is worth at least 48.6 EP. That puts [Mask of Vines] clearly over [Dunwald Winged Helm].
I have no clue how to use the table function, so here's the numbers.
Source: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm PVE Rogue Gem Info « Franksplace.org
At the moment, Thundering Skyfire Diamond is sitting at 76.8 for Muta, and 96EP for Combat.

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Old 12/15/10, 4:25 PM   #50
• Aldriana
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His numbers are actually pretty far off. TSD doesn't proc every 45 seconds - as I recall, its 1PPM with a 45 second ICD so usually procs slightly under once a minute. Its thus in the neighborhood of 48 haste rating (average case), and hence around 57 EP for Mut and around 70 for Combat - perhaps a bit more, as the nature of short-duration procs is that they tend to slightly overperform the average case in real fights.

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Old 12/16/10, 1:19 AM   #51
Sehjiro
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I was just looking at the Cata entry level gear list. Did something change I'm not aware of? Expertise in the forums has it's EP value as 1.1 but the gear list has it at 2.6 the strongest stat right behind agility, and it has haste right behind that, above the EP of hit at 2.2 Mastery is as well above it at 1.9 while hit itself is being listed at 1.8. Is this a misprint or did something drastic change recently?

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Old 12/16/10, 2:15 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Sehjiro View Post
I was just looking at the Cata entry level gear list. Did something change I'm not aware of? Expertise in the forums has it's EP value as 1.1 but the gear list has it at 2.6 the strongest stat right behind agility, and it has haste right behind that, above the EP of hit at 2.2 Mastery is as well above it at 1.9 while hit itself is being listed at 1.8. Is this a misprint or did something drastic change recently?
You sure you're not looking at combat?

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Old 12/16/10, 3:33 AM   #53
• Aldriana
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Those aren't the EP values for Combat either. To be honest, it sounds like you're looking at level 80 EP values, but I don't have a good feeling for where you're finding them - its not the spreadsheet linked in the first post.

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Old 12/16/10, 4:26 AM   #54
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Ok, I just need to make a quick request.. Can the items be updated to show ilvl or at lease the (H) tag in the first column of the spreadsheet? I just bought out one of the normal ones because I didn't notice that it was the (H) version listed as BiS.

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Old 12/18/10, 12:57 PM   #55
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+ BoE World drop chest [Morrie's Waywalker Wrap]

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Old 12/20/10, 12:39 AM   #56
dynapse
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First off, thanks for compiling this spreadsheet, it has been very convenient.

However, correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't it be logical at this point to set the hit rate EP to equal the EP of the lowest stat, which is crit (I'm solely talking about assassination)? To elaborate, theoretically if one were at spell cap and acquired a piece of gear that put them over the hit cap, they would then restore a prior reforge. Since obviously crit is the the first on the list when it comes to reforging to reach the hit cap, the absolute minimum they would gain is additional crit in exchange for hit. Naturally, if they reforged a better stat like haste, they derive higher value for acquiring said piece of gear, but the absolute minimum would be 0.9. The only instance where acquiring additional hit would yield 0.75 EP is when one able to reach the cap in pre-raid gear without reforging, and although I could be wrong, I would think that this is quite unlikely.

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Old 12/20/10, 12:42 AM   #57
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At current gear levels mastery makes the most sense for the value for hit, as you're always going to reforge to stay at the spell hit cap - hence, the only thing that changes is how much mastery you can reforge vs how much of your available reforges go to hit. Eventually, you reach the point where setting it to the value of haste makes sense (because every piece that can be reforged to mastery already is, and to dump further hit you need to reforge to haste), but that doesn't generally happen until pretty close to BIS.

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Old 12/21/10, 9:55 AM   #58
Sephina
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After the PvP Season 9 has started, I was wondering, if the Gladiator Weapons are worth using for Assassination in PvE. The Question is, what is the higher DPS on a PvP Weapon worth, compared to more Stats on the PvE weapons?

A "Test" with http://shadowcraft-test.appspot.com/ showed me a slight DPS increase of 4 DPS for [Vicious Gladiator's Shiv] against [Throat Slasher].
I wasn´t able to compare [Steelbender's Masterpiece] with [Vicious Gladiator's Shanker], because the Gladiator MH isn´t in the Database of Shadowcraft, yet.

I hope you can help me with that. Thank You.

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Old 12/30/10, 9:29 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by sedrikk View Post
sp00n, you may want to add the epic trinket and ring rep rewards.

Trinkets
[Unsolvable Riddle] Requires Baradin's Wardens - Exalted
[Unsolvable Riddle] Requires Hellscream's Reach - Exalted

Ring
[Signet of the Elder Council] Requires The Earthen Ring - Exalted
I'm curious what others think about running double [Elementium Destroyer's Ring]. Now I know the Agi and stam a slightly less, but if you're a JC you can craft a [Delicate Chimera's Eye] to slightly exceed the agi in the rep ring.

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Old 12/30/10, 9:37 PM   #60
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Originally Posted by Olenorske View Post
I'm curious what others think about running double [Elementium Destroyer's Ring]. Now I know the Agi and stam a slightly less, but if you're a JC you can craft a [Delicate Chimera's Eye] to slightly exceed the agi in the rep ring.
At the expense of using the same Delicate Chimera's Eye somewhere else.

When comparing socketed with unsocketed items, always use the value of a non-JC gem as a basis for comparison, unless you have fewer than 3 sockets on your gear overall.

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