Quick question for copyright reasons. Do you mind if i just copy past your post here to throw as an update onto the think tank? I took this post and just edited it to make it smaller, to throw into there, but as it is your work, I am obliged to ask your permission. If not, I would really appreciate if you could throw a link to this on the think tank "rogue pve dps" at least.
Just wanna keep Vulajin's page up to date for people.
Thanks.

Apologies I should have worded that better, I understand the application rate of vile poisons with FoK. What i mean is given that you are already applying deadly poison because of the talent, why does the increase in the rate of application of DP outweigh the increase in IP dmg and the higher chance to proc deadly brew? (Assuming 1/2 Deadly Brew)

Once you reach 5 stacks of deadly poison, every DP application results in an Instant poison application. This means 3 things:

• Your DP applies faster, reaching higher stacks and higher damage faster.
• With 2 chances to apply DP, you are very unlikely to ever drop DP from any mob in range.
• With DP having a higher proc than IP, once your 5 stacks of DP are applied, the procs of DP will occur more often than an IP on the same weapon, and consequently do more damage, (and also results in more chances for deadly brew, if you are concerned). To elaborate, most thrown weapons in Cataclysm arrive around 1.8 speed, +-.2. At that speed the proc chance of IP is close to a 40% proc chance. Deadly Poison after improved is 50%, so once you reach 5 stacks of DP, you are applying IP with that weapon more frequently. The slowest throwing weapon I have found mention of is 2.2 speed, which arrives close to, but is still under DP at 47%.

Essentially, any fight which lasts long enough to stack 5 DP's on your targets, double WP will do more damage. Any fight that doesn't last that long would probably prefer triple instants, but if the fight is that short, do you really care?

I have a question about the beginning of the rotation. Mine is garrote-snd-mut-env-mut4+-rup

My question is, is this optimal? I notice my deadly poison does not stack fast enough at the beginning of the encounter to match my combo points for the envenom, hence wasting combo points (if I wait, with this rotation I usually energy cap or drop my snd from the point from garrote). I understand the priorities once the rotation is established, I am just wondering the optimal way to start an encounter, wether it be a boss or single target trash. Any information would be helpful.

P.s. My reason for popping env so early is to refresh snd and apply the env buff to ramp up the DP stacks.

On the matter of Avalanche vs Hurricane, I haven't tested hurricane at all, but I've been using dual-avalanche (1.80 and 1.40 speed weapons) for a couple days now and I can confirm that it does roughly ~1.9% of my overall damage. This is based on conventional raid/instance data and a few raid boss dummy DPS sessions (although I wasn't specifically testing avalanche at the time). I can't recall it ever being less than 1.7% in any of my cursory glances at recount data.

Unfortunately, the servers are down right now, or I would log on and do some more testing just to be absolutely sure. Hopefully this information is helpful. No one on my server has Landslide yet, and I know I definitely won't be putting it on anything less than 359 ilvl daggers.

I find that using Garrote > SnD > Mut to 4-5 > Rupture > Envenom with 1 CP from Ruthlessness or 1 Mut gives me the best start. The big problem is, it relies on luck way too much. If I proc Relentless or Ruthlessness then it's smooth sailing, if I don't proc anything I end up with my pants down.

I feel like the entire Muti rotation is too much based on chance as it is now. I didn't like the Envenom spam of WotLK but having to rely on 60% procs from talents like Ruthlessness and Venomous Wounds isn't a better alternative. I also have problems with Rupture because of the way you can or can't overwrite it.

I have begun, for most every fight (And this is not coming from the best geared rogue in the world, but I am in nearly all 346s, with 6.5% haste, spell hit capped, and 14% crit (Thank you worgen buff)) To have my initial rotation as Garrote > Muti> SnD> Mut to 4-5 > Rupture > Muti to 4-5 > Envenom.

This seems to be the only way that I can keep from having SnD drop before I can get my first envenom off. And I am sure its a gear thing and lacking of the amount of haste to help my energy regen, but it is something that I feel should be responded to.

I also feel I should note that I always open up with cheap shot on trash, I have found that it is almost always more worthwhile to have that 2 seconds of less dmg to the tank at the beginning of a pull as apposed to have that extra 30k dmg to the mob. (Also using kidney shot almost every time its off CD on trash, just to help healer mana.)

I'm not sure why you read that tooltip to imply that Venemous Wounds procs are exclusive to only one bleed at a time - if you have both bleeds up, both should have the opportunity to proc VW.

Generally that sort of tooltip doesn't imply any sort of exclusivity, and in the limited amount of testing I've seen it appears that VW can in fact proc off both Garrote and Rupture at the same time.

I would like some confirmation on this. I was under the impression that it procs off of both at the same time. One of us in misreading the tooltip. I take "or" to mean both spells, not just one at a time.

edit-questioned answered while I was posting.

So, I've run some updated numbers on Avalanche, and the fact that it apparently can't proc of Instant Poison at all is a major blow to its efficacy. At entry raid gear levels (i.e., mostly 333-346) its comparable to though slightly weaker than Hurricane for Assassination, but scales more poorly so by end T11 the profession order will pretty clearly be Landslide >> Hurricane > Avalanche. However, at the moment the difference is small enough that I don't see any urgent need to reenchant...

...on one hand. Unfortuantely, it appears that Avalanche on two weapons doesn't fully stack - hence, while using one Avalanche is only a small DPS loss (~20 DPS MH, ~15 DPS OH) relative to double Hurricane, double Avalanche is more like 80 DPS behind double Hurricane. So I'd generally recommend switching at least one weapon with Hurricane even if you don't have the financial resources to do both.

Edit: Found a slight bug with these calculations - Avalanche may be just slightly better than is stated. Its still not worth doubling up on, but its probably within 5 DPS or so of Hurricane on the OH at current gear levels. Whether its 5 DPS better or 5 DPS worse depends on whether it can proc off Venomous Wounds, which hasn't been tested yet.