Assassination Guide for Cata [12/01/2011] - Page 51

Kenney · 07/26/11, 6:44 PM

The adds don't survive long enough for DP stacks to build up and as assassination IP should out-perform WP. Combat and subtlety should be favouring WP however. As you added I would pool energy briefly, envenom for the buff and unleash a flurry of FoK. This should be the case for most short and burst aoe such as the P2 adds on Ragnaros.

cgKyou · 07/29/11, 11:22 AM

I've been building new gear getting ready for our guild to really start firelands (raid leader is on vacation and back next week). Here is my profile.
Kyóu @ Staghelm-US - ShadowCraft

How are other rogues off setting all the expertise that we are getting from new gear? I have no interest in going combat as I prefer the play style of Assassination. While my gear has been getting better, I see less and less increase in my dps in fights. I know a lot of factors should be taken into account and I'm still always top on the charts for raids and last to die on wipes so I feel my play isn't at fault (6 year rogue vet here).
I can't help but suspect that the un-desired stats are whats holding me back. While I see exp and crit growing, My mastery is staying the same if now lowering with some upgrades though shadowcraft still states it's the better choice. Poor scaling?

It seems like blizz upped Assassinations dmg by upping Mastery's effectiveness but has then taken Mastery out of a lot of our gear, possibly negating any benefit it had.

Millavanilla · 08/01/11, 2:21 PM

A guild member (Aehs - Lightning's Blade) had an idea to use Moonwell Chalice as a prepot. I made a macro:

/use [nomod] Moonwell Chalice
/equipslot [nomod]14 Prestor's Talisman of Machination
/use [nomod] Potion of the Tol'vir
/use [nomod] Stealth
/use [nomod] Sprint
/use [nomod, @MainTank] Tricks of the Trade
/equipslot [mod:shift] 14 Moonwell Chalice

This does put Prestor's on cooldown (75 sec) but a little napkin math showed an increase in overall EP. What I didn't factor in though is what Prestor's haste proc would do to Matrix Restablizer's proc and how that would affect overall EP.

Edit: I just swapped some lines in the macro so the Tol'vir potion will be used before casting stealth.

dazed420 · 08/01/11, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by Millavanilla

A guild member (Aehs - Lightning's Blade) had an idea to use Moonwell Chalice as a prepot. I made a macro:

/use [nomod] Moonwell Chalice
/equipslot [nomod]14 Prestor's Talisman of Machination
/use [nomod] Stealth
/use [nomod] Sprint
/use [nomod] Potion of the Tol'vir
/use [nomod, @MainTank] Tricks of the Trade
/equipslot [mod:shift] 14 Moonwell Chalice

This does put Prestor's on cooldown (75 sec) but a little napkin math showed an increase in overall EP. What I didn't factor in though is what Prestor's haste proc would do to Matrix Restablizer's proc and how that would affect overall EP.

I think this trinket has been hotfixed so you cannot perform what you are intending.

Millavanilla · 08/01/11, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by dazed420

I think this trinket has been hotfixed so you cannot perform what you are intending.

Out of curiosity, what was fixed? You maintain the buff (and the subsequent mastery rating) even after un-equipping it. You also instantly benefit from increased passive agility from Prestor's as soon as it's equipped.

That said, I'll have to assume that this functionality will be hotfixed in the future. (ie, remove the buff as as soon as the trinket is taken off the character sheet).

Crevan · 08/01/11, 5:34 PM

The hotfix you have in mind made it so that Moonwell Chalice and similar on-use trinkets put a cooldown on each other, and it has nothing to do with this particular macro.

Draklian · 08/01/11, 7:15 PM

Equipping a different trinket while you have the buff from the Moonwell Chalice will remove the buff. Or at least it does with Ancient Petrified Leaf.

Kinajo · 08/01/11, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by Draklian

Equipping a different trinket while you have the buff from the Moonwell Chalice will remove the buff. Or at least it does with Ancient Petrified Leaf.

Most on-use trinket buffs get removed upon unequipping. However, currently this is not true for the Chalice, which is the reason for it being proposed although the Leaf or even Unsolvable Riddle have better use effects.

eylieen · 08/02/11, 2:20 PM

What if you were still using Fluid Death (as in my case >.>). There's nothing to prevent the agi buff from stacking immediately, is there? Putting that into the prepot macro would have no effect on it and would grant the 1700 mastery, correct? It's only proc and on-use trinkets that get the delay from equipping right?
Edit: Can confirm River of Death stacks immediately, so this macro is basically a free 1700 mastery on the pull for anyone still using FD.

Egészségére · 08/04/11, 7:41 AM

just tested that moonwell trinket thingy, and it does work in theory, but the beam from the moonwell disapears when you get too far away from it, and so does the 1700 mastery. so it doesnt work in practic for rogues because bosses aggro range is definately longer than the range that the moonwell cowers.
Edit: on the other hand, it would work on bosses like chimaeron.
2nd Edit: worked on ragnaros today.. just need to be aware of not gettin too far away from it.

other subject:
in the OP guide you say that precision is vastly better than elusiveness. But did you put into your calculations that with 2/2 elusiveness you can always use vanish(overkill+garrote) together with vendetta and synapse springs or any use-trinkets. furthermore you can reforge more into hit which is the best secondary stat.. not to mention shorter CD on cloak of shadows, which is always nice

sp00n · 08/04/11, 8:25 AM

The range seems to be not more than 30 yards.
The buff dropped when I stood at max throwing distance (30y) and ran on top of the target. It stayed when I didn't go further than inspect range (28y).
Keep in mind though that the moonwell seems to be placed behind you when activated, thus lowering the effective range. On the other hand, you can also make use of that by simply turning around before placing it.

30y is plenty enough for a boss like Baleroc, where every last bit of DPS may count (probably not so much after the nerf, but still).

Millavanilla · 08/04/11, 6:46 PM

Yea the only fights where the chalice would be practical in this tier would be Shannox , Baleroc, Domo, and Rag. You could make a case for its usefulness on Alysrazor as well, however minimal it might be.

Maybe the range limitation is why Blizz hasn't changed the functionality of the trinket yet.

Serol · 08/05/11, 12:58 PM

Anyone noticing something weird with World of Logs? I was comparing my parse on Normal Baleroc last night with some of the higher ones, and the top 3 had all of their abilities average damage almost double mine. It could be that they have more gear, but I'm not sure that would cause such an increase.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis is my log from last night, and World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis is #1 log for assassination.

CodeNameSly · 08/05/11, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by Serol

Anyone noticing something weird with World of Logs? I was comparing my parse on Normal Baleroc last night with some of the higher ones, and the top 3 had all of their abilities average damage almost double mine. It could be that they have more gear, but I'm not sure that would cause such an increase.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis is my log from last night, and World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis is #1 log for assassination.

They're bugged/exploited.

Kenney · 08/05/11, 2:16 PM

It was a bug with the Flamewaker Animator trash before Baleroc. They were incorrectly applying an ability to players causing extra damage. It doesn't show up on WoL though so nobody knew what was causing it until it got hotfixed.