Assassination Guide for Cata [12/01/2011] - Page 57

Probaton · 12/02/11, 6:27 AM

Additionally, the relative value of Agi is more likely to fluctuate due to changes in the import of crit whereas AP only has a single benefit and it's worth is therefore less likely to increase or decrease over time. All in all AP is the more stable currency.

Beepbeeps · 12/02/11, 7:38 AM

Thanks Aldriana. I didn't find the posted EP numbers too useful on their own and thought it MIT be an improvement to present that data in a different way, but I see now that because we all use that same basic data in different ways/comparisons that isn't very practical.

It is good to see that I am not the only one thinking about these numbers differently. And I appreciate all the responses. Cheers!

shadostalker · 12/03/11, 4:10 PM

I was going over Shadowcraft for Assassination and reforging trying a few things out. The standard reforging is of course going for exp cap which makes since for the legendary daggers, but after that it's stacking haste over mastery. According to current EP vaules that's out. Masterys EP is 0.22 over hastes EP. Could this be a current error with shadowcrafts new 4.3 engine?

Laeahndria · 12/03/11, 5:57 PM

I assume it might be putting more weight on haste because of the legendary?

Enzo90910 · 12/05/11, 8:41 AM

I find the guide EP values for orange gems strange but I don't know how to pinpoint the false value:

Name Stats EP
[Adept Lava Coral] 25 Agility/25 Mastery Rating 109.3
[Deft Lava Coral] 25 Agility/25 Haste Rating 103.8
[Adept Ember Topaz] 20 Agility/20 Mastery Rating 100.0
[Deft Ember Topaz] 20 Agility/20 Haste Rating 83.0

From Adept Ember Topaz to Adept Lava Coral: 5 AGI and 5 Mastery ~ 9 EP
From Deft Ember Topaz to Deft Lava Coral: 5 AGI and 5 Haste ~ 20 EP

EDIT: Of course it was easy to pinpoint, sorry:

[Adept Ember Topaz] 20 Agility/20 Mastery Rating 100.0

Should be

[Adept Ember Topaz] 20 Agility/20 Mastery Rating 87.4

Thermia · 12/07/11, 11:21 AM

If, with T13 gear (is that assuming ~full 397, 410, or what, anyway?) expertise and haste have the same EP (or perhaps even with expertise slightly less than haste), would it be better to cap expertise first to help avoid energy capping? I have had a problem with energy capping occasionally during high haste phases of fights, mainly during lust + backstab phase + 2pc t13 because of the occasional dodges that occur.

Probaton · 12/07/11, 11:36 AM

The situation you're describing is so uncommon (or at least of such short duration) that the results are all but negligible.

honnour · 12/12/11, 12:20 PM

hello everybody,
i read all the pages but could not find an answer to my question. sorry if it is written before.
according to the guide the best professions for assa rogue is blacksmith and any other profession.
but when i check top guild's top rogue's profiles nobody has blacksmith. and Aldriana the rogue knows everything hasnt got blacksmith either. why is that?
what is the 2 best professions in ep wise.
i have jc and engineering.
thank you

YzeroXY · 12/12/11, 12:48 PM

Blacksmithing is indeed the best profession for a raider, including assassination rogues. However, that is true only because 4.3 patch brought epic gems which can be placed in BS sockets in gloves and bracers. The fact that most raiders already have maxed out professions (often along with useful patterns) makes it inconvenient for them to spend a large amount of gold and time for a small benefit that BS provides. There is still an option of Blizzard hotfixing other professions to be on par with BS, as it used to be the case in previous expansion.

Jarush · 12/12/11, 7:57 PM

You have to remember that blacksmithing is a better profession only if you got epic gems on all gem slots on your gear (because bs gives you two extra gem slots) which is not true for a majority of (even top) raiding rogues yet. So there is no hurry to level up blacksmithing before you are entirely filled with epic gems on your gear - and as said above it's a possibility that Blizzard balance professions before that.

Jmac1307 · 12/13/11, 8:23 PM

Currently, the site does not list a BIS for our cloak. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but from my understanding, the ONLY PVE cloaks available in 4.3 are the cloaks sold by the valor pt vendor. So would that automatically make that cloak the BIS cloak piece for ALL classes?

Kroyfel · 12/13/11, 8:28 PM

The heroic Dreadfire Drape comes out ahead because of the second red socket, assuming there is no ilvl 410 version of the valor point cloak.

slinkeril · 12/27/11, 1:24 PM

I have a question on some optimization of gear. I am running into some confusion as to which site i should be using for gear optimization. Shadowcraft, appears to be using old tier 12 stat values, while askmrrobot, is even worse with tier 11, but you can change them to tier 13.

the second part is specific to the kiroptyric sigil trinket, now the base value listed here make it one of the worst trinkets available, and this is supported in askmrrobot, yet shadowcraft puts it in the top for upgrades.

Just alot of conflicting information out there, and i was hoping someone can shed a little light on my confusion.

Stylinonem · 12/27/11, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by slinkeril

I have a question on some optimization of gear. I am running into some confusion as to which site i should be using for gear optimization. Shadowcraft, appears to be using old tier 12 stat values, while askmrrobot, is even worse with tier 11, but you can change them to tier 13.

the second part is specific to the kiroptyric sigil trinket, now the base value listed here make it one of the worst trinkets available, and this is supported in askmrrobot, yet shadowcraft puts it in the top for upgrades.

Just alot of conflicting information out there, and i was hoping someone can shed a little light on my confusion.

I would say use both, but I personally put my faith in Shadowcraft. Regarding the kiroptyric sigil trinket, the live version of Shadowcraft is currently overvaluing it by using the incorrect ICD of 60 seconds--this will be fixed once the latest dev build of Shadowcraft gets pushed out.

Lykoskia · 01/06/12, 10:14 AM

Hey,

I've been following this guide since cata launch; can't help but notice the value of expertise rising up in relation to haste. At the moment the two are equivalent. I won't bother with why that is, although I suppose it's because of either stronger attacks not getting through, or energy capping when pooling due to increasing amounts of haste already on our gear.

You've also mentioned that it should be worth it to cap out expertise with the Fangs, due to having a brief period of burst which you don't want to miss out on. This is completely logical. I wanted to know whether, on average, capping out expertise becomes more worthwhile than pushing mastery in the long run. Is it worth it to sacrifice the sustain in order to guarantee that the burst will pull through?

Thanks in advance.