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Old 08/03/11, 12:11 AM   #781
Sarvius
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Maiev
It was buffed in 4.2. It was overvalued for some classes, particularly enhancement shaman, because it scaled with several damage buffs and/or masteries specific to classes. So they removed the scaling and bumped the base damage of the proc to compensate - that way the trinket isn't significantly better for some classes than others. For the classes that had no built-in damage boost, it was simply a buff.

Edit: It might have been 4.1 when it was buffed, but either way. That probably has something to do with it.

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Old 08/05/11, 8:02 AM   #782
Errad
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Arathor (EU)
I am not quite sure if I'm in the right spec at the moment. I've been fooling around with all the three specs, and hardly can I tell the - if theres any - dps difference between them.
In terms of gear: my ilvl is 373, I use Avool's Shanker and Alysra's Razor for assassination. I use the same weapons for Sub, and was lucky enough to get the Shatterskull mace which is awesome for combat. In the off-hand spot I use the previously mentioned Alysra's Razor.
In additional notes to gear: I did not have luck with Rhyolith so far, out of 3 kills I only got the cape so I decided to buy the PvP helm, since it is still better than the 353 ilvl one.

Armory: Saranghae - Armory Prifle

As you can see I'm at assassination now, raided this week as Combat/Sub. Since Baleroc is the real dps test in this content, I'll post my experience on that in terms of talent.
Last week I tried combat, which was between 24 and 25k dps. This week I tried Sub, which was between 23k and 27k (rather 27k if I can execute the rotation properly).

Since I'm getting low on money I thought you could give me a hand to decide which spec should I focus more on.

/EDiT:
About the lack of enchants: I'm still trying to find someone in my guild who can provide me with the assassin's step enchant.
About professions: I am still trying to figure out which two proffs are the best in terms of dps.
About my english: Sorry, but this is not my native language which means flaws are probable.

Last edited by Errad : 08/05/11 at 8:15 AM.

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Old 08/05/11, 11:08 AM   #783
Synek
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by Errad View Post
I am not quite sure if I'm in the right spec at the moment. I've been fooling around with all the three specs, and hardly can I tell the - if theres any - dps difference between them.
In terms of gear: my ilvl is 373, I use Avool's Shanker and Alysra's Razor for assassination. I use the same weapons for Sub, and was lucky enough to get the Shatterskull mace which is awesome for combat. In the off-hand spot I use the previously mentioned Alysra's Razor.
In additional notes to gear: I did not have luck with Rhyolith so far, out of 3 kills I only got the cape so I decided to buy the PvP helm, since it is still better than the 353 ilvl one.

Armory: Saranghae - Armory Prifle

As you can see I'm at assassination now, raided this week as Combat/Sub. Since Baleroc is the real dps test in this content, I'll post my experience on that in terms of talent.
Last week I tried combat, which was between 24 and 25k dps. This week I tried Sub, which was between 23k and 27k (rather 27k if I can execute the rotation properly).

Since I'm getting low on money I thought you could give me a hand to decide which spec should I focus more on.

/EDiT:
About the lack of enchants: I'm still trying to find someone in my guild who can provide me with the assassin's step enchant.
About professions: I am still trying to figure out which two proffs are the best in terms of dps.
About my english: Sorry, but this is not my native language which means flaws are probable.
For this tier, Combat is probably your best bet if you're looking for one spec. It's on-par with Assassination/Subtlety in DPS and has the added bonus of cleave on 2-3 fights this tier. Assassination has the upper hand in Beth'tilac P2 and Alysrazor flying (assuming Subtlety isn't as good for Alysrazor flying - It could be?), but other than that, it's essentially obsolete this tier (ie. everything it does, another spec does just as good or better).

Playing Combat also gives you the option to play Subtlety with minimal reforging changes, but I don't really recommend it. People claim that Subtlety is the top single target spec right now, but I find that hard to believe. I play it myself, but that's only because I enjoy it's playstyle (I played it through the hard times too).

I don't think that it's worth speccing Subtlety for damage, because even if it is ahead on single target DPS, it's not going to be a noticeable difference and the rotation is obviously harder. That said, I consider it a viable spec if you can play it - It's capable of essentially equal DPS to Combat/Assassination, but it's more work for the same output, and if you like the challenge, more power to you.

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Old 08/05/11, 11:39 AM   #784
Boggart
Glass Joe
 
Boggart's Avatar
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Shadow Council
How do I calculate the EP of an item myself, especially a trinket (assuming the proc rate is at least roughly known)?

Searching for "calculate EP trinket" or similar results in an avalanche. Obviously, I'm thinking of what the Unheeded Warning hotfix did to its EP, and thought it'd be nice to just check myself. I'm assuming the value of its proc is divided by its uptime in some way?

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Old 08/05/11, 2:07 PM   #785
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Doomhammer
Proc Trinket Value = Proc uptime * proc value + passive benefits.

This calculation is done for Subtlety here and a more general assessment of the trinket can be found here.

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Old 08/06/11, 11:30 PM   #786
Cmgarza05
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Antonidas
Is there an endless poison potion such as the endless mana and health one?

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Old 08/07/11, 12:51 AM   #787
Furtim
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Kargath
No, you must buy your poisons from vendors.

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Old 08/08/11, 5:02 PM   #788
Crosshairs
Von Kaiser
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Burning Legion
I have a question around getting savage combat up and running, as the provider in my 10 man. I've been kind of faithful to reforging to spell hit, so when I switch targets that my poisons will apply. I'm trying to figure out how to value that versus just reforging to maximize my haste. Is there a formula that I can use to predict how long it will take to get savage combat up given my spell hit?

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Old 08/08/11, 7:49 PM   #789
Naihan
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Bronzebeard
Originally Posted by Crosshairs View Post
I have a question around getting savage combat up and running, as the provider in my 10 man. I've been kind of faithful to reforging to spell hit, so when I switch targets that my poisons will apply. I'm trying to figure out how to value that versus just reforging to maximize my haste. Is there a formula that I can use to predict how long it will take to get savage combat up given my spell hit?
Trying to optimize this is more than likely entirely in vain, given combat's stat priorities. In combat you will be maximizing expertise and then haste in order to maximize single target DPS. You must consider that these two stats also increase your poison application rate, so reforging to a suboptimal stat when your normal best stats achieve similar results, just to get an extremely minimal (if at all) increase in Savage Combat up-time, is probably a decrease in raid DPS. Another thing to consider is how bad the physical vulnerability debuff is compared to almost all other raid-utility buffs/debuffs. Just an example is the magical damage debuff provided by assassination rogues and various other specs. Magical damage makes up a much, much larger portion of overall raid damage in pretty much all viable raid comps. Not only that, the magical damage debuff is for 8%, two times more potent than its physical counterpart.

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Old 08/09/11, 9:26 AM   #790
AeonNightmare
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Rogue
 
Earthen Ring
Regarding the Alysrazor fight, I have two questions. 1. Does the Blazing Power stacking buff also affect energy regen? 2. If you are flying and thus getting Blazing Powerx25 and Alysra's Razor buff, is the 2pc T12 worth alot more than normal?

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Old 08/09/11, 11:57 AM   #791
jsz
Von Kaiser
 
Pandaren Rogue
 
Magtheridon
In our 25man raid, we have three hunters and two rogues (one being myself) and I think me and the other rogue are going to start tricks'ing each other on the pull instead of the tank. My question is, is there an optimal time to do this? Just before the pull, a few seconds into the fight when everything is proccing, etc.

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Old 08/09/11, 12:19 PM   #792
omnimon3000
Glass Joe
 
Anohreul
Night Elf Rogue
 
Khaz'goroth
Tricks of the trade +10% damage buff actually lasts for 30 s... so... just before the pull would be alright :P

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Old 08/09/11, 12:24 PM   #793
Synek
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by omnimon3000 View Post
Tricks of the trade +10% damage buff actually lasts for 30 s... so... just before the pull would be alright :P
The threat lasts for 30 seconds, the damage buff lasts for 6 (ie. the amount of time you spend transferring threat).

@jsz, tricks as late as possible before the pull, as the 4pc procs as soon as you hit the Tricks button, not once it activates (through damage).

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Old 08/09/11, 6:13 PM   #794
omnimon3000
Glass Joe
 
Anohreul
Night Elf Rogue
 
Khaz'goroth
I'm pretty sure the damge buff is for the whole 30 s... how else does it increase the dps in shadowcraft by about 10% when using the being tricksed by another rogue >_<

Also read somewhere that tricks is a raid damage increase... so yeah... its for the whole 30s


EDIT: Hmmmm I see... so tricks is only a measly 6 s 10% buff tis is sad T_T

Last edited by omnimon3000 : 08/10/11 at 6:31 AM.

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Old 08/09/11, 6:22 PM   #795
Sarvius
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Maiev
It's not.

The threat caused by your next damaging attack and all actions taken for 6 sec afterwards will be transferred to the target party or raid member, and all damage caused by the target is increased by 15% during this time. Transferred threat is not permanent, and will fade after 30 sec.
Glyph drops it down to 10%. Checking being tricksed by another rogue should bump your dps by 2%, not 10%. It's a raid dps tool because it bumps the raid's total dps without boosting your own at all, much like a disc priest can use power infusion as a raid dps boost by putting it on a caster.

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