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Old 01/30/11, 10:43 PM   #151
xriotx
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Illidan (EU)
I'm not sure it has been said already but on Valiona & Theralion encounter (Heroic Mode), Smoke Bomb doesn't work on Twilight Blast both in and out of the Twilight Realm. What a shame...

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Old 01/31/11, 12:17 PM   #152
Jestyr991
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Stormreaver
Originally Posted by sp00n View Post
I doubt it, since they're already casting the spell. It may prevent you (or others) from being targetted by the mind control, but that's speculative and another issue to test.
Strange, In most PVE and PVP areas It causes an interrupt equal to channeling drain life for example, and your target going around a corner. I will have to test it further myself.

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Old 02/01/11, 12:17 AM   #153
Kroyfel
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Orc Rogue
 
The Maelstrom (EU)
Chimaeron HC:

If you use cloak exactly 14 seconds after the feud starts (start a stop watch timer or count to 14 after the massacre), you will immune the first slime. If executed correctly, use cloak instantly when it comes off CD and you will immune the first slime in the next feud. You can do this for the first three feuds. I recommend using the fourth cloak to remove Mocking Shadows in phase 3.

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Old 02/01/11, 7:36 AM   #154
Zujamar
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Troll Rogue
 
Stormreaver (EU)
Additionally for Chimaeron heroic:

If you find timers unnecessary or clumsy, you can use the Double Attack buff during Feud as a 5-second warning for the first Slime, i.e. a handy occasion to use Feint.

I'd also argue that cloak is better saved to get rid of the debuff from the last Slime to increase your damage output rather than mitigate Feud damage, since you are already taking far less damage than non-rogues, and a Massacre is imminent anyway so walking out of the Slime casts with extra hp is redundant. This is from a 25m perspective where you're bound to get sufficient healing from AoE heals that will be cast on the group-up spot regardless of your own health level (YMMV of course).

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Old 02/01/11, 11:17 AM   #155
PessimiStick
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Orc Rogue
 
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Kroyfel View Post
Chimaeron HC:

If you use cloak exactly 14 seconds after the feud starts (start a stop watch timer or count to 14 after the massacre), you will immune the first slime. If executed correctly, use cloak instantly when it comes off CD and you will immune the first slime in the next feud. You can do this for the first three feuds. I recommend using the fourth cloak to remove Mocking Shadows in phase 3.
Feud is random, so this won't work by using it on CD.

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Old 02/01/11, 12:03 PM   #156
Kroyfel
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So it looks like Feud is not always after every third Massacre, but is almost always the case (75%+ of times), so it's still pretty reliable.

In any case the first tick of slime is 14 sec into feud, and timed correctly you won't get the miss debuff from it.

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Old 02/01/11, 12:07 PM   #157
Raconzor
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Icecrown
As has been stated elsewhere (unless hotfixed in the last week, I can confirm from personal experience) feud is every 2-3 massacres, so you are not guaranteed to have cloak up for every feud.

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Old 02/02/11, 10:36 AM   #158
ekval
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Worgen Rogue
 
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Feud comes in beginning after 2 or 3 Massacres and after that it comes after 1 or 2 Massacres (heroic mode). Good way to time Feint and CloS with Feud Volleys is to Feint immediately after Massacre when Feud starts channeling. This way Feint comes off cooldown just before first volley lands and you can use Feint cooldown as timer when to Feint.

You can time CloS for second volley by activating it second or two after first volley or by watching Chimaerons animation (pretty easy to do) and then again Feint for third one. Or you can try to delay first Feint as much as possible and still have some of it's mitigation for second volley while saving CloS for third volley so you get rid of -hit debuff. Clearly if Feud happens back to back you won't have CloS cooldown for every Feud.

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Old 02/02/11, 2:28 PM   #159
DrEnzyme
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Blood Elf Rogue
 
Ravenholdt
Does the Cloak glyph reduce Quake damage in the Twilight Ascendant fight?

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Old 02/02/11, 5:01 PM   #160
Cerevantes
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Worgen Rogue
 
Kargath
Did some testing this week on our Cho'gall kill with Smoke bomb and worship. Keep in mind this is an extremely small amount of information as we can't training test dummy cho'gall.

Used Smoke Bomb 2 times in melee just before Worship happened and all melee MC'd did not worship on him. All ranged outside the smoke bomb did. We use Dragon's Breaths to break out the team so all get interrupted at the same time. This indicates Smoke bomb has some utility here. More testing needed of course.


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Old 02/02/11, 5:44 PM   #161
Brotherbear
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Orc Rogue
 
Frostwolf
Originally Posted by Cerevantes View Post
Did some testing this week on our Cho'gall kill with Smoke bomb and worship. Keep in mind this is an extremely small amount of information as we can't training test dummy cho'gall.

Used Smoke Bomb 2 times in melee just before Worship happened and all melee MC'd did not worship on him. All ranged outside the smoke bomb did. We use Dragon's Breaths to break out the team so all get interrupted at the same time. This indicates Smoke bomb has some utility here. More testing needed of course.
Could you clarify this point a bit more.

Are you saying that the melee *did* get mindcontrolled...but did not channel the spell? Or that none of the melee got targetted during smoke bomb.

The former sounds more like a bug then the proper interaction of the spell given that Cho'gal should be able to target people he's in melee range of, but we killed him last night, so I can't test this until next weeks reset.

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Old 02/02/11, 9:38 PM   #162
Phrequency-
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Orc Rogue
 
Magtheridon
Magmaw Heroic:

• Lava Spew can be immuned by using cloak*.
• Lava Spew's damage can be reduced by feint.
• You can also cloak and feint the shadow bolt volley(aka Shadow Breath) that Nefarian does at <30%.
• You can cloak Blazing Inferno (which is the meteor that spawns the add), but it's pretty useless since you're still going to take damage from the Ignition afterwards.
• You cannot cloak-immune Ignition (fire on the ground that the adds leave).

Edit: *For some reason you can only immune 1 tick of Lava Spew when using cloak. I've tested in numerous times it would only allow me to immune one.
Edit2: Oh, and I don't think Smoke Bomb prevents you from being hit by the shadow bolt volley.

Last edited by Phrequency- : 02/03/11 at 1:34 AM.

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Old 02/03/11, 7:28 AM   #163
Shadowwaltz
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Kil'Jaeden
You can only ever immune 1 of anything each time you cast cloak. That's because you're immune to everything the instant you cast cloak. For the rest of the duration, you have a 200% chance to resist spells.

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Old 02/03/11, 9:56 AM   #164
Sulphuric
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Human Rogue
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Phrequency- View Post
Magmaw Heroic:

• Lava Spew can be immuned by using cloak*.
• Lava Spew's damage can be reduced by feint.
• You can also cloak and feint the shadow bolt volley(aka Shadow Breath) that Nefarian does at <30%.
• You can cloak Blazing Inferno (which is the meteor that spawns the add), but it's pretty useless since you're still going to take damage from the Ignition afterwards.
• You cannot cloak-immune Ignition (fire on the ground that the adds leave).

Edit: *For some reason you can only immune 1 tick of Lava Spew when using cloak. I've tested in numerous times it would only allow me to immune one.
Edit2: Oh, and I don't think Smoke Bomb prevents you from being hit by the shadow bolt volley.
You can easily immune 1-2 ticks of the ignition with cloak if you're getting trapped. Tried it several times and it works perfectly fine. Wether you immune 1 or 2 ticks obviously depends on your timing, but it's a viable way to run through it. Just don't rely on the whole cloak duration soaking it, cause it wont.

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Old 02/03/11, 11:23 AM   #165
Phrequency-
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Orc Rogue
 
Magtheridon
I've tried cloaking and running through it two or three times and it didn't work.

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