Cataclysm 4.0.x Raid Mechanics - Page 16

Pest · 03/03/11, 1:35 PM

I can confirm that Atramedes does definitely NOT destealth you (anymore) for heroic 10.

Litodude · 03/07/11, 2:40 AM

Shadowflame barrage on Phase 2 of Nefarian can be Smoke bombed, and the damage is completely negated for those inside the smoke. I was on a platform along with another rogue and we had 10 seconds of no damage after our add was down. The animation still plays, but there isn't damage.

Feist-Mok · 03/07/11, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by Litodude

Shadowflame barrage on Phase 2 of Nefarian can be Smoke bombed, and the damage is completely negated for those inside the smoke. I was on a platform along with another rogue and we had 10 seconds of no damage after our add was down. The animation still plays, but there isn't damage.

This is just not true. Please, stop saying it.

Litodude · 03/07/11, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

This is just not true. Please, stop saying it.

I'm more than willing to prove myself correct with a recording during phase 2 as we are attempting Nefarian again tonight. Here's the parse for our 14 attempts of it last night: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Killme888 · 03/07/11, 1:44 PM

What you are seeing is the barrage hitting other players on your platform, I've tested it this numerous times already as well and it's definitely not true.

ieatpaperbag · 03/07/11, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Litodude

I'm more than willing to prove myself correct with a recording during phase 2 as we are attempting Nefarian again tonight. Here's the parse for our 14 attempts of it last night: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I'll have to double check later but I'm relatively confident that in our HM video there was another rogue's smoke bomb down on our platform such that it covered everyone and you can clearly see on our SCT that barrage is still being taken. I distinctly remember testing this several times during attempts and noticing the damage was still happening and deciding to stop using it.

Edit: After reviewing the video, there are in fact two Smoke Bombs down and by watching the PoV's SCT you can see clearly that he is still takes damage from Shadowflame Barrage while having the Smoke Bomb debuffs.

liftir · 03/07/11, 2:07 PM

Tested out Smoke Bomb about a week ago and it definitely did not stop any Shadow Barrage damage.

Litodude · 03/07/11, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by Killme888

What you are seeing is the barrage hitting other players on your platform, I've tested it this numerous times already as well and it's definitely not true.

Like I mentioned previously in my post: the animation still plays but I have not seen any recorded damage on myself, as well as any other player on my platform that was encased in smoke. I'll try to work out having all 3 rogues in our 25m on the same platform to see the damage; hopefully it'll clarify a 'yay' or 'nay' on this mechanic.

liftir · 03/08/11, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by Litodude

Like I mentioned previously in my post: the animation still plays but I have not seen any recorded damage on myself, as well as any other player on my platform that was encased in smoke. I'll try to work out having all 3 rogues in our 25m on the same platform to see the damage; hopefully it'll clarify a 'yay' or 'nay' on this mechanic.

Posting a log of 14 wipes on Nef and saying "here's the evidence" isn't really doing anything for your argument, especially since you didn't point to anything specific in the logs as your proof. By virtue of RNG you could cast Smoke Bomb and Nef simply doesn't target your particular platform for 5 seconds with Shadow Barrages so you come to the false conclusion that Smoke Bomb was preventing the damage.

There are several other people on this forum who have tested this, including myself, and all of us have said that using Smoke Bomb to prevent Shadow Barrage damage does not work. Any further claims of the opposite without specific evidence would be ill-advised.

Litodude · 03/08/11, 6:49 PM

Originally Posted by liftir

Posting a log of 14 wipes on Nef and saying "here's the evidence" isn't really doing anything for your argument, especially since you didn't point to anything specific in the logs as your proof.

Sorry that I didn't direct you properly to indicate what I was trying to show posting those logs: The miss count of Shadowflame Barrage to myself and the other rogue who used smoke bomb was extremely high compared to the others in raid.

In any case, I've uploaded a video depicting 4 instances where Smoke Bomb was used and it can be clearly seen that no (personal) damage is taken during that time from SfB. I will correct my previous statement, in which I assumed everyone inside smoke has the barrage damage negated, but I can clearly see their health dropping now - after looking over it.

YouTube - Smoke Bomb mehanics testing | Nefarian 25m

Killme888 · 03/08/11, 7:14 PM

Originally Posted by Litodude

Sorry that I didn't direct you properly to indicate what I was trying to show posting those logs: The miss count of Shadowflame Barrage to myself and the other rogue who used smoke bomb was extremely high compared to the others in raid.

In any case, I've uploaded a video depicting 4 instances where Smoke Bomb was used and it can be clearly seen that no (personal) damage is taken during that time from SfB. I will correct my previous statement, in which I assumed everyone inside smoke has the barrage damage negated, but I can clearly see their health dropping now - after looking over it.

YouTube - Smoke Bomb mehanics testing | Nefarian 25m

In your video, you were clearly not targeted by any of the shadowflame barrages at all in the first clip. In the second clip and third, you were clearly hit by it while smoke bomb was still up.

fasoulas · 03/09/11, 4:27 AM

Maloriak : You can feint the Scorching blast during red phase before it hits to avoid half its damage and also you can feint Bitting Chill during blue phase if someone else has the debuff and he is not running away.

liftir · 03/09/11, 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by Litodude

Sorry that I didn't direct you properly to indicate what I was trying to show posting those logs: The miss count of Shadowflame Barrage to myself and the other rogue who used smoke bomb was extremely high compared to the others in raid.

In any case, I've uploaded a video depicting 4 instances where Smoke Bomb was used and it can be clearly seen that no (personal) damage is taken during that time from SfB. I will correct my previous statement, in which I assumed everyone inside smoke has the barrage damage negated, but I can clearly see their health dropping now - after looking over it.

YouTube - Smoke Bomb mehanics testing | Nefarian 25m

This makes no sense at all. The first clip everyone is taking damage while the Smoke Bomb is up and in the second clip it's the same, except that you also get hit by a Shadowflame Barrage towards the end of the Smoke Bomb. Perhaps you should more carefully evaluate your opinions/evidence before you post them.

káyl · 03/09/11, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by Zulkeir

Nefarian

Heroic
*Toggle 'Walk' before getting MC'd to give yourself a self-imposed slow!

This is no longer true, walking doesn't slow you down.

Litodude · 03/09/11, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by Killme888

In your video, you were clearly not targeted by any of the shadowflame barrages at all in the first clip. In the second clip and third, you were clearly hit by it while smoke bomb was still up.

I must agree - I apologize. I did not notice the difference in damaging animation on my own toon, in Smoke bomb or out of it, and whether or not it was targeted on me or another, as I have a tendency to constantly move and disrupt the animation. Examining all clips I've recorded I can see the barrage. The damage still remains cloakable and feintable though; sorry again.