Cataclysm 4.0.x Raid Mechanics - Page 27

ieatpaperbag · 06/09/11, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by thineubaut

Has anyone found a PvE use for Combat Readiness?

Apart from rare situations, there are no situations will you will reliably use it for any boss current encounter. So far for Firelands, I have only used it for the Shannox encounter when Rageface is swinging at me and I do not have Evasion up (not casting Face Rage). In the patch you will want to consider if you could need CoS before deciding to use using CR since they will share cooldowns. So far it seems the trend of CoS being immensely more valuable will continue for Firelands.

Theownt · 06/11/11, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by ieatpaperbag

So far it seems the trend of CoS being immensely more valuable will continue for Firelands.

With regard to straight damage reduction this is certainly true, but I tend to feel like Cloak (and it seems all immunities in general) are being stripped of their utility in the coming tier. Numerous debuffs you'd expect cloak to remove will stick you regardless; this makes some sense with something like Burning Seeds on Majordomo, but actually is really upsetting when considering Torment on Baleroc. You also can't use Cloak (or other immunities) to mitigate several abilities like Staghelm's cleave or Beth'tilac's Smoldering Devastation (big bang that she casts periodically killing everyone on her web). In my opinion, it feels like Blizzard is punishing Rogues (and to a lesser extent by virtue of less frequently available cooldowns, Mages and Paladins) who are most adept at making use of the tools given to their class.

I guess my point is, you're absolutely right in that Cloak of Shadows will remain far more valuable than Combat Readiness in Tier 12. I just wanted to point out that it seems the overall value of Cloak will be decreasing in coming content.

To backtrack a bit to the subject of Major Glyphs, I want to point out that Feint is really a staple glyph that you'll rarely not use. Perhaps I'm just a bit out of it right now, but I'm relatively certain there is no fight on this current tier where you can't mitigate some damage with Feint. This trend certainly is continuing into Firelands: only Baleroc has no guaranteed AoE damage, and even on this fight there will be Feintable damage in the event someone screws up a mechanic.

Emelious · 06/13/11, 6:29 PM

Sorry if this has been asked used the search function and didn't find anything. Is it worth it for combat rogues to reforge out of haste for Sinestra and the haste buff Essence of the Red we get; is it actual haste increasing our energy regen directly or is it just an attack speed increase helping us with combat potency?

Shygo Ryu · 06/18/11, 5:03 AM

Originally Posted by Emelious

Sorry if this has been asked used the search function and didn't find anything. Is it worth it for combat rogues to reforge out of haste for Sinestra and the haste buff Essence of the Red we get; is it actual haste increasing our energy regen directly or is it just an attack speed increase helping us with combat potency?

Yep, it actual increasing your energy regen.

Now, my question: I'm Assassination. In P1-3 on Sinestra our melee camp stands behind, so i can backstab. With a buff is it viable to hit only backstabs? Or mix it with Mutilate? It can solve the problem with our energy capping. Haven't chance to test this tho`.

And btw, about Sinestra. There is a hint (bug, smart using of game mechanics, ect) about CoS and Wrack that wasn't fixed yet.
You Can't possible immune Wrack when it applies on the first target (tho, i could be just too slow ), BUT, when the first Wrack is dispelled (from other member ofc.) it CAN be CoS immuned if you used it 1-2 secs before that dispell.
It also can be immune by DKs and, I'm sure, with other classes. For the better benefit you should use it only ob first dispell, so it will help your healers a lot (For example, there was one try, when we resisted both Wracks (me and DK))

P.S. If you use CoS After wrack jumps at you, you will automatically dispell it, so don't miss the right time and you should speck to your RL and dispelers about it.

Originally Posted by Zulkeir

[*]Cloak and Vanish cause shadow orbs to lose fixated aggro on you. Having the orbs ping pong based on healing aggro can make them harder to control.

So, be careful, if you use this hint =)

sp00n · 06/19/11, 12:01 PM

Hm, on our last raid the orb didn't seem to deaggro from me when I used CoS, at least the beam was still visibly on me. I was already on my way back to the camp and thus to where the healers are, so I cannot say with 100% certainty.

liftir · 06/20/11, 2:37 PM

It's a bit strange with CloS. In one example, I had to cloak and run through the beam when a cutter was on me and it just continued to follow me normally. But I can also remember times when I cloaked and the cutter went off on it's own. Perhaps there's some timing issue that goes along with CloS usage.

Shygo Ryu, Mutilate does more damage and produces more combo points than Backstab. The only reason Backstab becomes viable to use is the energy return when used sub 35%. It would be detrimental to your DPS to use Backstab instead of Mutilate at all times for the sole purpose of avoiding energy capping - which isn't a big problem to begin with for Assassination on Sinestra.

Crevan · 06/20/11, 4:51 PM

It seems that vanish does not drop your orb aggro as well, it was still chasing me after I used it while the slicer was active.

Kroyfel · 06/20/11, 5:17 PM

Originally Posted by Zulkeir

Vanish just before Elementium Monstrosity Gravity Crush ability. It still takes you up in the air, but you have no bubble around you and you take no damage while up. (awaiting confirmation from another source)

Confimed, worked for me on Heroic difficulty today (20.06).

MikeJ714 · 06/28/11, 4:25 PM

Curious - We gonna keep this thread updated for 4.2, or making a new thread for Firelands? I start raiding tomorrow, figured we could start compiling info this week.

• Aldriana · 06/28/11, 4:48 PM

I would recommend making a new thread.

Zulkeir · 06/29/11, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

I would recommend making a new thread.

The initial idea when I first contacted Aldriana about these threads was to keep separate threads for new content as the previous raids will no longer be relevant end-game material. Also, as I have quit WoW roughly 2 months ago, I may find it difficult to keep track of various boss mechanics as I will not be seeing them first hand. Keeping one post updated is one thing, making a new one for new content is significantly more than I am capable of doing right now, sorry.