Cataclysm Gear Sheet r14 [2011/11/29] - Page 2

Matl1 · 12/21/10, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

@Deathrind
Actually, in my previous gear sheets (which I didn't publish) I had two enries for rings and trinkets. However I felt this was unnecessary, as you can simply enter your inferior ring/trinket to see the upgrades.

But won't having only one group of rings and trinkets make the reforging calculation change to something inferior? Since it does not take into account the 2nd ring and trinket.

sp00n · 12/21/10, 6:28 AM

Reforging doesn't take into account caps or your other gear. It's "dumb" as it only reforges from the theoretically worst stat to the theoretically best. I don't see how having two groups would change that.

@SilverLight
In the course of adding weapon DPS and speed I've removed the 2.6 offhand weapons. They just don't make sense, and the new calculation doesn't support anything other than a dagger in your off hand.

@bigwhey
That sounds like your download is corrupted. Try downloading again.

giriam · 12/21/10, 8:34 AM

Something seems to be wrong with the gem calculations. Using the default EP for combat, haste is more valueable than mastery. Yet the yellow socket suggestion is adept ember topaz rather than the deft variety.

Am I missing something or is that a bug?

Edit: Ok, they are ranked properly, it's just a matter of the highlighted top-left listing not updating. Might be because of open office, I dont know

Razzerian · 12/21/10, 8:51 AM

I'm sorry for the dumb question but I can't seem to find the AEP value for the DPS on a MH weapon for Assassination. I'd really like to calculate the difference between my current heroic 346 dagger (Windwalker Blade) and the Vicious Gladiator's shanker.

I already read that the shiv is an AEP loss towards the Quicksilver Blade HC or JP dagger but since neither dagger are included in the sheet I was just wondering? Have been asking around a bit to friends but few seem to be aware of the MH DPS AEP value.

I might just be missing it in the topics and if so I apologise but I have a very hard time reading on these forums due to the white background and it seems not possible to change it in the settings, so if I missed it, please don't infract me! >.<

Cyrax_AdS · 12/21/10, 9:40 AM

Yesterday i got "Unheeded Warning" Trinket. (Unheeded Warning - Item - World of Warcraft)

I don't see it in the sheet, forgot to include it or is it that bad for assassination ?

Schmoopy · 12/21/10, 9:58 AM

From all that I have read, Unheeded Warning is bad for rogues in general, and is especially bad for assassination.

I understand it to have a 60 sec ICD and 10 sec duration. So best case, its up for 1/6 of the fight. So for 1/6 of the fight auto attacks do 25% more dmg, which is an overall gain of 4.166% on auto attacks. At the high end, auto attacks might be doing 25% of your total dmg (from my recounts thus far its closer to 20-22%), so thats a 4.166% increase on 25% of your dmg or an overall net gain of 1.04% dps from the proc. (Note: This napkin math is credit of "atrox" from the wowhead comments for this item).

While the static agility is nice, the proc is pretty much garbage for us and as a result several blue trinkets are better than it.

sp00n · 12/21/10, 10:49 AM

@giriam
Hm, if that sorting isn't working, then none of the other should either. It's using the same (basic) formula.
I've just installed OpenOffice (3.2.1) and it's working fine for me.

@Cyrax_AdS
It's in the sheet, it's just so bad that it doesn't show up in the top 10. I've increased the trinkets to show top 15 since you can have two.

@Razzerian
That's because I just added it with this release (r6).

Which gets me right on topic, new release r6:

Included weapon speed and DPS as an EP estimation. This values were taken from Caffeine's web UI for Shadowcraft (http://shadowcraft-test.appspot.com/), derived from more or less BiS T11 heroic gear.
Note that these values are only an estimation, as they will likely fluctuate heavily depending on your gear. I also wasn't able to reproduce Aldriana's EP values 100%, so they might not necessarily comply with the rest of the EP. But it's a ballpark.
The new ranking can be found at the bottom of the two sheets ("Sorted List - Base Stats" and "Sorted List - Reforged Stats").
I also have no clue about Subtlety gearing and weapon choices, so these values are left blank.
Removed any 2.6 off hand weapons. They make no sense, use daggers. Weapon calculation also only accepts values up to 1.8 for the off hand.
Increased display for rings, trinkets and weapons from 10 to 15.

xumie · 12/23/10, 1:48 AM

Al'akir drops leather pants, I can't wowhead link cuz it's the random suffix loot, but stats are:

1460 leather
Red socket
Blue socket
+20 agi socket bonus
511 Stamina
301 Agi
208 Haste Rating
208 Mastery Rating

I'm sure other suffixes exist.

bigwhey · 12/24/10, 4:11 PM

I am still having problems viewing the sheet. I dont understand bc other spreadsheet work just fine. Anyways, does anyone know for Assass Rogues(spell hit capped) if I should be using a reforged Left Eye of Rajh - Item - World of Warcraft over Tia's Grace - Item - World of Warcraft or Schnotzz's Medallion of Command - Item - World of Warcraft. Ive seen some trinket lists on here that dont even have schnottz on it but it has so much agility. I was wondering if the proc on AsjLeft Eye was that much better.
Thanks

sp00n · 12/26/10, 6:47 AM

I've just read your first post again, and

I saved the file as it is and when trying to open it from Excel 2007 it doesn't even acknowledge it exists.

Are you trying to open the .rar file itself in Excel? That won't work, the file is packed with WinRAR, you first have to extract it to get the .xls file.

Regarding trinkets: Schnotzz' isn't even in the sheets, it's that bad. Tia's Grace is good, Left Eye isn't that bad.

Cerevantes · 01/05/11, 10:33 AM

I'm wondering if its possible to evaluate the 2 minute popping trinkets (namely [Unsolvable Riddle]) to be popped alongside Vendetta/Cold Blood 100% of the time & Vanish/Overkill 50% of the time. Just from Raw EP values Tia's Grace and Key to the endless chamber beat it out, but I've been seeing several very high parses with UR in people without gear above my own.

Basically asking this for myself and all those are are sitting with Fluid Death and X trinket until Nef is so kind to give his machinations to us.

• Aldriana · 01/05/11, 12:26 PM

The only one of those three effects that's easily modelable is the stacking with Vendetta, which increases its effective uptime to ~19%, which puts it just behind (though on a par with) H:Key. I'd expect the benefit of the other two procs too be quite a bit smaller than the Vendetta benefit. So realistically its probably fair to see Riddle is competitive and perhaps even marginally superior to H:Key, but still behind Prestor's and H: Cyclone

Cerevantes · 01/05/11, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

The only one of those three effects that's easily modelable is the stacking with Vendetta, which increases its effective uptime to ~19%, which puts it just behind (though on a par with) H:Key. I'd expect the benefit of the other two procs too be quite a bit smaller than the Vendetta benefit. So realistically its probably fair to see Riddle is competitive and perhaps even marginally superior to H:Key, but still behind Prestor's and H: Cyclone

Thank you for the quick response! Now for a bit of a newbie question. I've searched through all the rogue threads, and while the overwhelming feeling is obviously that "Overkill is good, maximize its uptime," there are no explanations of its mechanic. Does it modify base energy regen only? or does it modify base + haste-enhanced energy regen?

I've done several searches for it already with no luck. The question was asked Here in the 216 page Assassination rogue thread but was ignored. I also saw Aldriana's post Here where you explain that you did the math and Precision was always x3 better than elusiveness, but that's the closest to an overkill mechanic explanation I've heard.

My reasoning is that if Overkill doesn't scale with hasted energy regen, then while its value does scale with gear upgrades, it doesn't scale as well, and doesn't scale as well with haste specifically. Every time I get another .5% haste I go and redo 10 different 6 1/2 minute parse on Heroic raid test dummies with 0/3 precision 2/2 elusiveness and the results are similar to 2/3 precision.

My Guild is starting Heroics this week and 30 seconds off Cloak alone will be a lifesaver while learning solong as I'm not sacrificing much dps, never mind if it was a wash or better yet a dps gain to be able to stack Vendetta, CB, Overkill every time.

• Aldriana · 01/05/11, 3:52 PM

So far as I know this has not been tested - its still listed as an open question in the Mechanics Testing thread - but based on how Vitality and AR work, I strongly suspect Overkill stacks multiplicatively with haste for purposes of determining energy regen.

Zarly · 01/05/11, 5:31 PM

Just thought I'd point out that this item is listed incorrectly as not having a meta slot when in fact it does resulting in it appearing to be worse than it is.

Following the directions on entering new gear details in the 'Gear Base Stats' sheet and inserting a '1' in the Meta row fixes this.