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Old 07/30/11, 6:26 PM   #631
MikeJ714
Von Kaiser
 
Human Rogue
 
Windrunner
Originally Posted by Cerevantes View Post
and if others are finding situations happening.

I have my DP stacks fall off even when I'm not reforging for Combat, so yeah, it's just a problem. Course in general DP isn't a huge factor in Combats DPS - But it still hurts.

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Old 07/31/11, 10:29 AM   #632
bi0bi0
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Goblin Rogue
 
Eredar (EU)
It seems that 3/3 Coup de Grace and 2/3 Lethality is stronger when playing a low rupture or ruptureless cycle (atleast with my gearsetup)

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Old 07/31/11, 3:22 PM   #633
Furtim
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Kargath
It seemed that on fights with Blade Flurry(the only time i'm ever Combat), it doesn't do as much damage as the standard setup.

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Old 08/02/11, 5:06 AM   #634
Druss
Piston Honda
 
Orc Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by Furtim View Post
It seemed that on fights with Blade Flurry(the only time i'm ever Combat), it doesn't do as much damage as the standard setup.
That doesn't seem logical given that Blade Flurry works for both Sinister Strikes and Eviscerates and, so far as Combat spec is concerned, the talents in question only relate to those two abilities i.e. if 2/3 Lethality and 3/3 Coup is optimal for a ruptureless cycle (looks like it is for my setup too) single target then there is no reason why it wouldn't be when Blade Flurrying. Good tip bi0 - i'm always ruptureless as Combat in my 10 man because there is no bleed debuff.

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Old 08/02/11, 9:10 AM   #635
Furtim
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Troll Rogue
 
Kargath
From my experience, on a fight like Domo(atleast non-heroic), the adds usually take most of the BF damage from Sinister Strikes and Auto Attacks than Eviscerates due to them dying fairly quickly.

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Old 08/02/11, 2:16 PM   #636
eylieen
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Frostmourne
I play combat for heroic domo (only time i do) but wouldn't they take more BF damage from SS and white swings than evisc simply because you cast ~5x the number of SS than you do eviscs and countless times as many white swings as well? I know for a fact that while theoretically ideal to have a 5cp evisc right as the add spawns in order to net the biggest cleave bonus, that wasn't always the case and that the add died plenty fast enough even just cleaving SSs onto it. Would it be worth using a lower cp finisher when the add spawns (ie 3-4cp) to increase the amount of damage being cleaved out? It doesn't seem like it would but I'm no combat savant so would anyone better informed than me like to comment?

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Old 08/02/11, 5:38 PM   #637
Sarvius
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Maiev
Only when the adds become higher priority than the boss, which is never really going to happen. The adds still need to die, but it's more important that you kill the adds while maxing your dps on the boss than that each cat die 1-2 seconds earlier because you changed your rotation a bit. The entire fight is about killing the boss as quickly as you can while performing the mechanics correctly (phase changes, seed timing, defensive cooldown rotation, etc) so it's not going to be ideal to take a serious dump in energy efficiency by using a 3 point evis. Any time you use it a 4 point evis it means you could have used revealing strike and that means your evis is going to hit ~45% harder if you use one more combo point builder.

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Old 08/03/11, 6:14 PM   #638
Lithios
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Malfurion
I was wondering with the change to Unheeded Warning today (now gives 1926 ap instead of weapon damage) how does that change its overall ranking among other trinkets?

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Old 08/03/11, 6:23 PM   #639
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Doomhammer
Well, it has 321 agility and a 1926 to stat proc; this is the same as Essence of the Cyclone and Prestor's. AP, by definition, has an EP value of 1, which is less than haste and (depending on your exact gear and spec) similar to crit, so logic dictates it is now worse than normal-mode Prestors and comparable to normal-mode Essence of the Cyclone.

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Old 08/05/11, 9:53 AM   #640
Stabbaren
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Draenor (EU)
Is it true that Darkmoon Card: Hurricane is like the best trinket pre Firelands trinkets? I dont include Prestors HC since I dont got access to it since we dont do any old content anymore. I just saw on Shadowcraft that it basically is better than normal Prestors but according to this guide its not. If someone could give me a clearify that would be awesome.

Sorry for my bad English
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Old 08/06/11, 11:25 PM   #641
wolwexx
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Blood Elf Rogue
 
Kil'Jaeden
switch off the hand by a slower weapon at the time of Killing spree will gain a dps? as would be the best macro for switch weapon and REswith?

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Old 08/07/11, 12:21 AM   #642
Stabbaren
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Troll Druid
 
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by wolwexx View Post
switch off the hand by a slower weapon at the time of Killing spree will gain a dps? as would be the best macro for switch weapon and REswith?
From what I know off and people have told me is that its a DPS loss overall since you use a GCD when you switch weapon in combat so that would've been like switch weapon > gcd > killing spree > equip dagger > gcd > keep on going as usual. I had the same thought when I started to raid again on my Rogue but got told that its a big no no to that. Might have changed now but I doubt it

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Old 08/07/11, 1:29 AM   #643
Ayalana
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Human Rogue
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Originally Posted by Stabbaren View Post
Is it true that Darkmoon Card: Hurricane is like the best trinket pre Firelands trinkets? I dont include Prestors HC since I dont got access to it since we dont do any old content anymore. I just saw on Shadowcraft that it basically is better than normal Prestors but according to this guide its not. If someone could give me a clearify that would be awesome.

Sorry for my bad English
/ Stabbaren
It is because your gearset is set up in a way that makes DMC:Hurricane better than the other trinkets.

The list is to be used as a general guideline, but for more accurate results it is pretty much always better to use Shadowcraft or own careful calculations instead.

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Old 08/10/11, 6:14 PM   #644
Sakuratei
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Frostmane (EU)
Just got my 4set tonight and noticed that the stat increase takes a snapshot of your current stat value for the buff. Followed up with more experimentation, if you have Prestor's Talisman of Machination or The Hungerer, it's a potential DPS increase to delay the first Tricks until your trinkets proc if you happen to get Future on Flames (the 4set haste buff) on the first tricks.

Last edited by Sakuratei : 08/10/11 at 6:26 PM.

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Old 08/10/11, 6:18 PM   #645
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
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Doomhammer
Of course, if you don't delay your 2nd Tricks will pick up the stats from Matrix Restabilizer - as it lasts for 30 seconds, it will affect exact 1 Tricks pretty much no matter what you do. So while there are some trinket procs and such that might be worth waiting for, there are also some that aren't.

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