How would 410 H Morningstar of Heroic Will and 410 H Electrowing + N compass and N wrath of unchanging compare to say 403 N Nokaled and 410 H Electrowing + N compass and N wrath of unchanging in the rankings you mentioned above? Shadowcraft is showing H Electrowing better for OH consistently but 403 Nokaled slightly ahead of 410 H Morningstar of Heroic Will. I'm not sure if it has been or can be fixed, but is Shadowcraft still over estimating the value of the proc?

I'd say it probably is not over-estimating in that side-by-side comparison. While the item level is slightly higher, meaning melee damage will be higher, what determines the favor here is the fact that the proc from No'Kaled would not be mitigated by armor - and physical damage (that isn't a bleed) would be.

Edit to add: Bandit's Guile/Insight apparently does affect the proc. Spell hit doesn't seem to affect the proc as it is calculated off of whether the weapon that landed hit (giving a 100% chance to hit the target if the equipped hand the weapon is in hit the target) - and on the melee hit table. And the proc seems to use a rather low crit percentage that is not melee based (Simulationcraft suggests it is based off of spell crit).

Where are you getting that information? I did a little bit of testing the other night and found that not a single proc ended up above the tooltip damage range (the testing was all in yellow and red insight) and several procs would have come out below the minimum if adjusted for insight (meaning 8712/1.2=7260, below the minimum tooltip of 7654). Maybe that's why shadowcraft and simulationcraft seem to be overvaluing no'kaled.

The information comes from Simulationcraft as well as Wowhead. I'm not making it up. ;-)

Also, I do believe that the proc itself (like any other proc) says "up to" - which would imply it can also do lower (within a reasonable threhold). In your interface options, turn off display averages. That should give you the approximate range.

I'm almost positive that the Nokey proc is NOT affected by bandit's guile. While every proc I have ever seen falls within the listed range, several that have occurred at different colors of insight are out of range (too low). If simulation craft believes that it is affected by it, then I would suspect that as an issue with simcraft?

Can't speak for simcraft, but ShadowCraft does not scale up the proc with Bandit's Guile. So at least this part of the model should be correct.

Hey guys,
i got a problem (i think so) with my meleehits. And in conclusion with the "combat potency" talent.

This ID on our Yor'sahj heroic kill i`ve done 45k dps. In our raid i think to remember that we had all meleebuffs.
I compared our Logs with the logs from another rogue. The fights had the same duration (8:32min).
The other rogue (ßu) has done 51k dps. (He didn`t have dark intent.)
So I wondered and analyzed
He didn`t have a haste-procc trinket, but i have one (matrixrest.) and i have more haste than he has.

I noticed that the other rogue had 1309 meleehits and I had only 1159. He gained much more energy from "combat potency" than me.
He gained 2895 energy
and I gained only 2490 energy.
Thats of course a dps loss, but I couldn`t find out the reason.

1. I thought about my macros:
I am playing with a sinister strike and revealing strike macro with "/startattack". Could it be that the swing timer always resets when I use these macros? Could it be that this is the reason why there are (offhand-)hits missing?
The same with the TotT-macro, but i don`t think that i lose hits when i cast TotT.

2. I had to switch the target, but only twice and that were only 3-5 seconds where i had to run. So i don`t think that this is the reason.

3. The 400 more energy he gained couldn`t be only luck, or?


The logs if you like to have a look:
Hiaquintus: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
ßu: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I would like to deal the maximum dps. it would be nice if anyone has an idea to my problem.

Sorry if there are any mistakes, i hope you can understand what i want

greets hia

The other rogue is using the tier2 dagger in MH and you are using No'kaled. That largely accounts for him having more melee hits than you. Also you switched onto globules a bit (while he never did) and got less cleave damage from Blade Flurry. So while you should keep striving for excellence a cursory look at the logs does not suggest that you are doing something extremely wrong.

thanks for your quick answers!
hm.. that was just to simple to realize.. I didn`t have in my mind that main gauche also proccs the talent..

Does it mean that it is advisable to wear the dagger in my mh for this fight?

Well, there are basically these trade-offs when it comes to the dagger set vs. No'Kaled:
Dagger:
- more combat potency procs from main gauche
- passive stats
- stacking agi set bonus

No'Kaled:
- more instant poison procs
- more killing spree damage
- strong elemental proc

Basically all of the daggers' advantages also affect the BF target while No'Kaled's advantages are almost single target only (killing spree works with BF but is often very clumsy in multi target situations). Depending on how much of your total damage exactly your BF is doing, you'll definitely want to use the T2 dagger over No'Kaled NHC and even the T1 dagger may be fairly close to it.

What you have to understand about the Golad and Tiriosh, is that the power of the daggers lie in how they work in conjunction with the Restless Blades talent. You won't get many Fury procs during an Ultraxion fight, but when you do, you absolutely have to make sure that the 5 Eviscerates you get off, will all reduce your KS and AR cooldown. Doing this is key to getting the most out of your daggers.

Other than that, you should see a significant increase in your DPS regardless, both due to the stacking agility and the extremely high weapon damage.