Java-based optimal Rogue reforging calculator - Page 3

Noith · 02/03/11, 4:32 AM

Another flaw. It worked before I changed daggers and a ring, I have the same enchants as before, but yet, it still says random enchant items found, not supported.

Reforger version 1.4.
Loading character info:
Using mutilate reforgings.
Loading items:
["Themios the Darkbringer" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=72 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=72]]
["Rich Purple Silk Shirt" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Necklace of Strife" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=127 Haste=127 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Sticky Fingers" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=150 Haste=130 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Throat Slasher" Stats=[Hit=86 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=86]]
["Helm of Numberless Shadows" Stats=[Hit=182 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=162]]
["Essence of the Cyclone" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Tunic of Sinking Envy" Stats=[Hit=162 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=202]]
["Embrace of the Night" Stats=[Hit=130 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=150]]
["Aberration's Leggings" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=188 Expertise=0 Crit=228]]
["Poison Fang Bracers" Stats=[Hit=100 Mastery=0 Haste=100 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Tabard of the Earthen Ring" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Boots of the Predator" Stats=[Hit=130 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=150]]
["Quicksand Belt" Stats=[Hit=150 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=130]]
["Lightning Conductor Band" Stats=[Hit=127 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=127]]
["Tia's Grace" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=285 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
["Organic Lifeform Inverter" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=97 Haste=0 Expertise=97 Crit=0]]
["Twitching Shadows" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=112 Expertise=0 Crit=112]]
["Mistral Circle" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]
java.lang.RuntimeException: Random enchant item found. These items are not yet supported.
at net.wsnetwork.reforger.Reforger.runReforging(Reforger.java:153)
at net.wsnetwork.reforger.ReforgerApplet$ReforgerRunnable.run(ReforgerApplet.java:99)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Vamo @ Stormscale - Game - World of Warcraft - it is my main hand dagger and conclave ring. I have an idea the conclave ring is the issue, since it's stats and reforging is not shown on armory either.

EDIT: Bsofs comment on the ring.

Originally Posted by bsoft

This appears to be the problem item:

["Mistral Circle" Stats=[Hit=0 Mastery=0 Haste=0 Expertise=0 Crit=0]]

Solving this problem is complex because neither Wowhead nor the Armory item pages report the stats on these items correctly. The stats will need to be pulled from your Armory page, which is more complex since the item might already be reforge and the HTML is harder to parse.

I'll see if I can get a fix done tomorrow.

Any plans to fix this issue soon? But, I dont understand HOW you are gonna fix it, since it fetches data from armory, and armory doesn't show stats. So it's really a error from blizzard

Raconzor · 02/03/11, 11:03 AM

Seems the best way to fix this would be to make your own table of the stat mapping of the variuous suffixes, and if one of these items show up just plug in those values rather than try to read them from anywhere. Still misses current reforging of course.

Firnas · 02/03/11, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Noith

Another flaw. It worked before I changed daggers and a ring, I have the same enchants as before, but yet, it still says random enchant items found, not supported.

Vamo @ Stormscale - Game - World of Warcraft - it is my main hand dagger and conclave ring. I have an idea the conclave ring is the issue, since it's stats and reforging is not shown on armory either.

EDIT: Bsofs comment on the ring.

Any plans to fix this issue soon? But, I dont understand HOW you are gonna fix it, since it fetches data from armory, and armory doesn't show stats. So it's really a error from blizzard

Its the ring, need to pull the 4 random enchant stats of the items armory page and add it manually to the possible reforges. +143 (372 version) to hit for 2 of them, crit or haste, Mistral Circle - Game - World of Warcraft.

I'll work on it today and have edits up for you.

Firnas · 02/03/11, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by lovingbenji

I also found an error while using the java based tool that could be a consequence of the above statement.

On my combat rogue (almost full 359), the tool advises me to convert haste from my wind dancer tunic to hit and to leave fluid death unchanged ; which is obviously a non-sense

Ya that is an issue. Looking into it as well.

Skylo · 02/03/11, 6:11 PM

Is there possibly an option to change the calculation of mastery ? Sometimes more points in mastery, don't mean more damage. So it might be more useful to reforge in any other stat, if you cannot reach the needed points for another percent of Mastery Damage.

• Aldriana · 02/03/11, 6:16 PM

More points in mastery always means more damage so far as I know - its not like it truncates down to the nearest whole point when computing benefit. So I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about.

Skylo · 02/03/11, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

More points in mastery always means more damage so far as I know - its not like it truncates down to the nearest whole point when computing benefit. So I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about.

As far as you know... this describes it very well! I haven't found anything about the mastery is calculated exactly. So stop flaming me and tell me who did some testing on this. Otherwise I believe the Blizzard UI more than you... sry!

Pls report if anyone has other clues about this topic!

Fowltor · 02/03/11, 6:38 PM

Originally Posted by Skylo

As far as you know... this describes it very well! I haven't found anything about the mastery is calculated exactly. So stop flaming me and tell me who did some testing on this. Otherwise I believe the Blizzard UI more than you... sry!

Pls report if anyone has other clues about this topic!

Well, surely you're brilliant enough to realize that Mastery isn't truncated, but rather is treated in the same way as Expertise. That is to say, each individual point of mastery is as valuable as the next. There are no breakpoints.

This has been documented and well-understood by all classes since 4.0 went live several months ago. The character sheet does not represent the values accurately.

Edited for civility

DerIdiot · 02/03/11, 10:03 PM

You know, I think a piece of my gear is throwing the tool off or the armory is reporting something wrong, it's taking my reforge and always giving me the wrong result after I reforge. But if I play with the results and change 1-2 pieces from what it tells me I can almost always make my goal for hit.

Strange indeed..

Firnas · 02/04/11, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Skylo

As far as you know... this describes it very well! I haven't found anything about the mastery is calculated exactly. So stop flaming me and tell me who did some testing on this. Otherwise I believe the Blizzard UI more than you... sry!

Pls report if anyone has other clues about this topic!

Probably for the rogue thread but can someone briefly reiterate where the discrepancy comes from mastery increasing poison dmg by 3.5%/point. I must've of missed this conversation somewhere.

Originally Posted by DerIdiot

You know, I think a piece of my gear is throwing the tool off or the armory is reporting something wrong, it's taking my reforge and always giving me the wrong result after I reforge. But if I play with the results and change 1-2 pieces from what it tells me I can almost always make my goal for hit.

Strange indeed..

Whats the item ?

suprfire · 02/04/11, 1:15 AM

Even though this calculator is solely for reforging at the moment, i think a possible expansion to this calculator would be Engineering Helm Cogwheels. I realize this will only affect a minority within Rogues, but if this tool could use the cogwheel stats as extra possible "reforges" since they are replaceable within the headpiece itself. I think the customizability of the Engineering Headpiece merits implementation of such a feature. This will probably need the addition of a new formula/mechanic in the calculator, so such a feature should only be added if you can afford the time.

Thanks for the calculator, and i hope for the addition of a cogwheel feature.

DerIdiot · 02/04/11, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Firnas

Whats the item ?

Honestly I'm not sure, I don't have enough gear to test and I will have to go over my stats later to check. But essentially, I just ignored the suggestion to reforge my trinkets and hit my HIT goal. My haste and Mastery counts are still far different then what the app wants me to reforge to, however.

Furtim · 02/05/11, 1:42 AM

Originally Posted by DerIdiot

Honestly I'm not sure, I don't have enough gear to test and I will have to go over my stats later to check. But essentially, I just ignored the suggestion to reforge my trinkets and hit my HIT goal. My haste and Mastery counts are still far different then what the app wants me to reforge to, however.

Well there is your problem right there, the App is reforging to get the highest EP possible, while you are reforging for a specific cap.

You can't compare apples to oranges.

To reiterate, the App will try to make the hit cap, *IF* it provides the most EP. Just because you are exactly at the Hit Cap doesn't make it optimal to reforge that way. By trying to go for a specific hit cap, you run the possibility of missing reforges to other ratings that will provide a larger benefit overall.

DerIdiot · 02/05/11, 2:30 PM

^ No that's not it. I followed the app EXACTLY. I end up short on hit, below what even the app says I should have, and then I have to change things around to make hit at least match on hit, or get close.

If I follow what the app says exactly, I'll end up short on hit, and over or under on either mastery or haste. Every single time, those three stats aren't what the app says they should be at.

Take for instance what the reforge tool says I should reforge to right now, if I follow that I'm going to be 73 hit short, short on mastery and over on haste. It's really strange.

Regardless however, it's only a 7ep gain if I change everything and were to get the stats right, which I'll call close enough

Furtim · 02/05/11, 5:59 PM

I just did a test using your current gear from the Armory and plugging it into Caffeine's Shadowcraft Engine UI, and the results match the reforger exactly, so it has to be an error in something you're doing.

cri -> mst Boots of the Predator
cri -> mst Liar's Handwraps
cri -> hit Wind Dancer's Legguards
cri -> hit Poison Protocol Pauldrons
cri -> hit Parasitic Bands
cri -> hit Sark of the Unwatched
cri -> hit Cloak of Biting Chill
hit -> mst Fluid Death
hst -> hit Necklace of Strife
hst -> hit Dragonwreck Throwing Axe
hst -> hit Signet of the Elder Council
hst -> hit Quicksilver Blade
mst -> hit Tia's Grace
--- no --- Belt of Nefarious Whispers
--- no --- Steelbender's Masterpiece
--- no --- Terrath's Signet of Balance

Resulting stats:
hit: 1321
mst: 2478
hst: 672
exp: 0
cri: 761
Resulting EP: 6562.10, 7.30 gained

BTW, drop that 50 crit cloak enchant and put 22 agi on it instead, only the 65 crit enchant comes out marginally better than it.