4.3 Changes Discussion - Page 17

Jestyr991 · 11/23/11, 7:15 AM

Has anyone been able to confirm the ability to get two phase 1 daggers day 1 using this trick:

Have a 10 man alt run clear to Hagra, invite rogue, summon, pickpocket. This allowing you to collect items off the first 4 bosses in your 25m raid later that evening, and also allowing a second rogue to pickpocket hagra that week.

I saw some discussion on it, but no confirmation. Is it still true that even if you accept a raid lockout, you dont get saved on normal until you kill something.

n0point · 11/23/11, 7:57 AM

Originally Posted by Jestyr991

Has anyone been able to confirm the ability to get two phase 1 daggers day 1 using this trick:

This has been answered a couple of times and yes, it is possible on the PTR.

Other than that how do you intend to get items from bosses killed later same night if there is a 12 hour charge cooldown on the rings and a 1hour+ questline afterwards? It will only be possible to get the items if you move your main raid back 1 day.

Sulphuric · 11/23/11, 3:31 PM

No reason at all to rush the normal modes during the first day considering you're already locked out for a week before stepping into heroics, and normals does not count towards world ranks, so the only logical thing is to maximize the resources for the legendary towards the second week.

n0point · 11/23/11, 6:22 PM

True. My only point was to remind Jestyr991 of the 12 hour delay needed so he clan plan ahead better.

Jestyr991 · 11/23/11, 6:44 PM

Or if you raid late nite (IE: start at 12 or 1) if the servers come up early (some how), That is what im curious of, also not all guilds raid on Tuesday.

moylen · 11/24/11, 9:32 PM

Legendaries are now on the PTR:

← Click Here

Tekloth · 11/26/11, 3:01 AM

There's been a change to the pocket reset apparently:

For point 14 about the pocket cooldown, I was just asking a gm about it and he told me "pickpocketing Hagara puts a 12 hour cooldown on the ring to respawn, so you can't bring 20 rogues to a single raid and let them do the quest simultaneously. " So it's certainly not going live if that's in his notes.

Source

Rheavon · 11/27/11, 3:13 AM

So a friend just told me that after pick pocketing the ring and not having killed Hagra, when he zoned out of the instance the ring despawned. Has anyone checked since last patch?

Pathal · 11/27/11, 9:49 AM

I think you need a little more info than "the ring despawned" for it to be meaningful.

What quest were they on when they zoned out?
Which ring was it? (Hint: there's 4 different rings used as quest items)
Was it the first quest, the raid wiped and he lost the ring when he zoned out?

Rheavon · 11/27/11, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Pathal

I think you need a little more info than "the ring despawned" for it to be meaningful.

What quest were they on when they zoned out?
Which ring was it? (Hint: there's 4 different rings used as quest items)
Was it the first quest, the raid wiped and he lost the ring when he zoned out?

It was the first quest and it was he zoned in picked Hagra's pocket and zoned back out and the item was gone. I think he forgot to loot it myself, but hes adamant that he did so I wanted to see if anyone had tried since last patch.

Halbarad · 11/27/11, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rheavon

It was the first quest and it was he zoned in picked Hagra's pocket and zoned back out and the item was gone. I think he forgot to loot it myself, but hes adamant that he did so I wanted to see if anyone had tried since last patch.

If thats true you can just hand in the quest (and ring) before you zone out?, then you'd have a diffrent item that possibly wouldn't despawn?.

Might be worth checking.

Rheavon · 11/27/11, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by Halbarad

If thats true you can just hand in the quest (and ring) before you zone out?, then you'd have a diffrent item that possibly wouldn't despawn?.

Might be worth checking.

Agreed, thats why I was hoping someone with more time could have a quick check for me.

Exisled · 11/28/11, 12:49 PM

If rupture does not proc the legendary, will it still be worthwhile using it over eviscerate?

Similarly, if Rupture does proc the legendary, will it be worth using <5CP ruptures in order to trigger more procs?

• Aldriana · 11/28/11, 12:57 PM

The actual damage gains from a single proc of the legendary aren't that large, and I suspect the vast majority of your procs will come from autoattacks, Main Gauche procs, Sinister Strikes, etc. I would be very very surprised if changing your finisher pattern changed your stacking rate by more than a percent or so, and in that case the damage gains of increasing your proc rate would be far smaller than what you'd lose by doing an otherwise suboptimal cycle.

Pathal · 11/28/11, 1:03 PM

Suffering was only adding a stack (or a chance to add) on the application of Rupture, not for each Rupture tick on the PTR last time I tested.

Using more Ruptures would theoretically increase the number of procs per minute, but that would be so inconsequential it would be meaningless.

EDIT: Has anyone been on the PTR to test the proc rate of Suffering lately? I did some 10 minute tests of that and the Mutilate cycle question.

The proc rates I got for Sub and Mut were very different than what I remember them being several patches ago, I had 35.9% as Sub, 30.9% as Mut, and 13.2% as Combat.

I also checked out the SS as Mut topic and it was a little bit of a let down. I used a 1+R/5E rotation (possibly not ideal), combat reforging for both, and this spec with SS being the sole CP builder. It was about 15% behind normal spec and rotation. Both tests were done over a 10 minute session on the dummy.

There's a lot of room for error in that, but 15% seems like it's too big of a deficit to be made up.