Has ther been a change to FoK? It seems that i can no longer use it to dump energy during KS. Before 4.3 i was able to hit it a couple of times while in KS to keep from capping.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before (apologises if it had, did a search and found nothing regarding it).

On the EJ Hunter thread they’ve reported the proc from the Vial of Shadows trinket can be dodged by a boss, might be a slight lowering of its value for none expertise capped rogue specs?.


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The Droprate from [Elementium Gem Cluster]s dont seem to be increased in Heroic Mode (got 3 Times only 1)

not bragging or anything just wanted to point out that ir eceived 9 gems out of one cluster and since 9 is such an arbitrary number it's probably possible to receive 10 even.

I remember the calculations for the t13 energy reduction from Tricks being discussed in one of the threads, but can't find where exactly, so I apologise upfront if this was already established. The ability tooltips are dynamically updated with the buff (which is called Tricks of Time by the way), and it seems that the 20% reduction is calculated using the full untalented cost of abilities - 60 for Mutilate, Ambush and Backstab, and 45 for Sinister Strike. So, for example, a Backstab while under the effect of the buff will cost 60 - 60 * 0.2 - 20 = 28 energy (including the SftS talent reduction), and not 60 - 40 * 0.2 - 20 = 32. Also, this is sort of obvious, but Tricks triggers a GCD, so we are really only getting 5 usable seconds of the buff.

Keep in mind tho that Tricks of Time doesn't start on ToT cast (like T12 2-set bonus did), but rather when ToT buff is triggered. This causes a split second delay (the time between ToT cast and your next damaging attack) that, depending on it's timing and your latency, may or may not allow to use all 6 GCDs.

Note sure if this is the best thread for this, but it's an interesting set of data regarding the Shadowy Gems.

So I've been keeping a log of how many gems we acquire in our raid group, and keeping tabs on other raid teams around the world. I've noticed a trend (though definitely not confirmed), that "RNG" biases 5-6 gems per cluster. Right now it's still a very small sample size (138, at the moment) and too early to tell just how true it is. I'll follow up in roughly 2 more weeks once I finish Cluster Clutch.

I should say that it is done assuming that every cluster is the same no matter the difficulty, raid size, or boss. It seems like a reasonable assumption at the moment, given the low amount of data we have on hand right now, and the common understanding of game mechanics.

I assume this is to reduce RNG, but it's interesting none the less. I'm sure this has crossed the minds of several others in 25 man raiding who have seen several clusters now.



# Gems are the gems from our guild's runs.
# Ext are the ones from the thread Cluster Clutch - Need help from everyone on this quest, up until the post at Dec 13, 06:45 AM GMT, plus a few other guilds who didn't post there.

The bars are stacked, not overlaid.

I only got 5 from a madness kill last night, so it's just rng on what you will get.

Thanks, that's what I was thinking too.

Anyone else seeing an increased rate in single cluster drops for 25m this week? Hoping that me and a few other rogues I know all just happened to have bad rng this week but slightly worried that they may have already nerfed the drop rate a little.

I would suspect just bad rng; last night I got 2 clusters from everything except Zon'ozz (which was also the case last Wednesday).

For stats purposes, by the way, I ended this week's clear with 305 gems from 54 clusters (I got 15 clusters in two of our three full clears, with 16 in the other, and 8 clusters in the half clear remaining after Hagara the first week). That works out to an average of 5.64 gems per cluster, which matches the bar graph above rather nicely.