Cataclysm 4.3.x Raid Mechanics - Page 5

sinnaa · 12/02/11, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Crazed

Confirmed, I had this happen to me today on the third armor plate. It teleported me to the back as well.

This also happened to me. It is different than what was happening on the PTR. I will update accordingly.

Originally Posted by kindath

Not sure what you mean by this. I was able to garrote and backstab the Deathwing's tendrils and the corruption tentacle from pretty much every angle.

Looking through Skada, I also don't see any dodges with only 110 expertise. I could be wrong on that count, though.

I mean that if you are towards the malestrom, it will not let you attack the MAIN tentacle (aka deathwings arms).

Alash · 12/02/11, 3:26 AM

Couple of observations for discussion.

Madness of Deathwing
Feint doesn't work on the Blistering Tentacle's Blistering Heat
The blast from Elementium Bolt can't be cloaked, but the following pulse damage can
Crush from Mutated Corruptions can be both Feinted and cloaked
Killing Spree attacks the leg from the front on Ysera and Nozdormu platforms, but teleports you behind and up in the air at Alexstrasza and Kalecgos (relevant when Regenerative Blood spawns)
When Blade Flurrying, both hits seem to benefit from Spell-Weaving

sp00n · 12/02/11, 4:26 AM

Originally Posted by Alash

Madness of Deathwing
The blast from Elementium Bolt can't be cloaked, but the following pulse damage can

It can be cloak immuned though.

Alash · 12/02/11, 5:07 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

It can be cloak immuned though.

Just verified on my own log (at [19:23:20.742]). So yes, it can indeed be cloaked. I stand corrected.

tito149 · 12/02/11, 11:08 AM

My guild had a few attempts at Madness of Deathwing last night and we chose to do the Alexstraza platform last, but we struggled to keep up with the DPS requirement on her platform without the aid of Kalecgos.

We are going back in tonight and are thinking of trying the Alexstraza platform third and Kalecgos platform last. Did anyone get a chance to see if blade flurry worked on the blistering tentacles (only when Alexstraza platform isn't last)?

Armanewb · 12/02/11, 11:33 AM

Blade flurry does not work off the main tentacle onto the Blisterings from what I saw, but it does work the other way around (i.e. DPS the Blistering, flurry onto the limb). Kalecgos last seemed to produce much better results for our raid than Alexstrasza.

Rheavon · 12/02/11, 3:21 PM

Before clearing Noz's platform, you can bladeflurry from the main tentacle to the Elementium Bolt

Whistles · 12/02/11, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rheavon

Before clearing Noz's platform, you can bladeflurry from the main tentacle to the Elementium Bolt

And after clearing it you can BF from the Mutated Corruption (if it is still up) onto the Elementium Bolt.

Muleish · 12/02/11, 10:25 PM

Is anyone else finding that when on spine when you leave combo points on the amalgamations then redirect to the tendon, the combo points will go but your BG state wont go? is this a bug or working as intended?

MikeJ714 · 12/03/11, 12:02 AM

Are you redirecting from the recently-dead Amalgamation? Or one that is currently alive? It's possible that once a target is recently dead, even though the CP's still exist for a few seconds, BG is wiping instantly.

Shadire · 12/04/11, 6:12 PM

Can anyone confirm if Improved Recuperate's dmg reduction works on Hour of Twilight?

Vaccine · 12/04/11, 7:05 PM

Originally Posted by Whistles

Clarifying that on Madness of Deathwing you can't use Killing Spree on the Mutated Corruptions (it just won't let you) but everything else in the fight is fine. Also the Elementium Bolt damage is Cloak resistable and not just immunable which is a pleasant change from previous tiers.

I didn't seem to be able to use KS on Deathwing in the final phase, would have to test again as I just used it on his adds there every try after that.

Indalecio · 12/04/11, 7:58 PM

As of Thursday I was able to Killing Spree in phase 2 of Madness of Deathwing. However, there was no jumping/animation involved, I just stood still for 2.5 seconds and the ability went on cooldown, presuming that I did damage with it.

MikeJ714 · 12/04/11, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Indalecio

As of Thursday I was able to Killing Spree in phase 2 of Madness of Deathwing. However, there was no jumping/animation involved, I just stood still for 2.5 seconds and the ability went on cooldown, presuming that I did damage with it.

The same thing happened with Ph4 Rag. Just because the ability went and CD and the visual/sound effect went off, doesn't mean it worked - Check logs.

Hidden · 12/05/11, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by MikeJ714

The same thing happened with Ph4 Rag. Just because the ability went and CD and the visual/sound effect went off, doesn't mean it worked - Check logs.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

My recent log from 02/12/2011, looking at Deathwing's damage taken:
Killing Spree 26818 0.1 % 5 5363.6 26818
Killing Spree Off-Hand 22439 0.1 % 5 4487.8 22439

So it definitely did damage in my case.

When I was there, Killing Spree...
flawlessly worked on the arm tentacles; on some platforms I got ported behind them, on some I didn't
wasn't usable on the wing tentacles at all
flawlessly worked on the Elementium Bolts, doing all hits onto them
flawlessly worked on Deathwing in P2, keeping me safe at the side
flawlessly worked on the P2 adds

Blade Flurry worked everywhere besides from the arm tentacles to the small blistering tentacles (they're immune to all AoE seemingly including all cleaves), however it works the other way round like stated in the main post.
It's especially useful to cleave the elementals in P2 and cleave tentacles spawning close to Deathwing while still DPSing him.

Edit:
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here or in another Rogue thread but since it's not in the main post:
I can confirm that all tentacles and Deathwing himself (every enemy that can be backstabbed from all sides) cannot be missed by auto-attacks, thus you may want to reforge all your hit to other stats.