Cataclysm 4.3.x Raid Mechanics - Page 5

Foadser · 12/08/11, 2:18 AM

H: Hagara

Vanish also removes the snare from the frost traps.

Enzo90910 · 12/08/11, 3:49 AM

Heroic Zonzozz: Feint worked for me for the raid wide dot in tentacle phase and should be used on cooldown. I am not sure about Cloak though.

Brundo · 12/08/11, 4:45 AM

Does anyone know if it is possible to cloak bounce the ball on Warlod Zon'ozz HC? I was playing with idea to have rogues in melee camp and shadow priests in ranged camp solo bounce the ball and by doing so quite decrease damage on raid.

As for feinting on morchok - since stomp timers were a bit off to me at least at start i had some unfortunate deaths due to GCD. But when i started precasting feint it worked like a charm. For timing i used crystal spawning and then waiting around 4 seconds then feinting and stomp was casted during the 6 seconds the feint was up every time.

plockzy · 12/08/11, 5:11 AM

Originally Posted by Brundo

Does anyone know if it is possible to cloak bounce the ball on Warlod Zon'ozz HC? I was playing with idea to have rogues in melee camp and shadow priests in ranged camp solo bounce the ball and by doing so quite decrease damage on raid.

I can confirm that using cloak (immunity) does work on the ball on heroic mode.

[21:32:22.483] Void of the Unmaking Void Diffusion Plockzy Immune

konsherps · 12/08/11, 5:50 AM

You can't cloak the healing debuff that stacks in Yor'sahj heroic resulting from the purple ooze.

Dragel · 12/08/11, 9:51 AM

Morchoks stomp was somewhat buggy yesterday, sometimes it could just oneshot a ranged standing further than the tank+soaker. We found out (nothing that can be confirmed) that having Morchok faceing the ranged and tank+soaker in between negated this. As the fight goes on, his hitbox also gets smaller and the stomps hit the right target.

Otherwise soaking the stomp as a rogue with feint is more than enough. I was taking around ~100k hits leaving me with ~1/3 of my health.

ekabz · 12/08/11, 2:37 PM

I find it better on Warlord Zon'Ozz to cloak the Disrupting Shadows debuff when you can, and use Feint for when the Orb is about to hit. I believe overall there's more damage reduction in doing so.

Also, as a result, you don't have to worry about your healers accidentally killing you by dispelling you when you're low health from other damage causing effects.

dazed420 · 12/08/11, 8:38 PM

Originally Posted by plockzy

I can confirm that using cloak (immunity) does work on the ball on heroic mode.

[21:32:22.483] Void of the Unmaking Void Diffusion Plockzy Immune

I have to question this as I just tried to solo the orb with cloak, once with a cast of the buff a couple seconds before the ball hit and once right when the ball was about to hit. Both times the log shows the gaining of cloak before dmg was taken yet death was the result. Those that are saying cloak works are you just in the melee group and not actually solo tanking it?

Almautt · 12/08/11, 8:51 PM

To solo the orb and live you have to cloak at the same second it collides with you, the damage is not cloak-resistable.

dazed420 · 12/08/11, 9:03 PM

You are correct, just got it to work.

Furtim · 12/09/11, 3:29 AM

Heroic Hagara: You can cloak-immune the frost wall, but it's actually safer to just run inside her shield for a couple seconds while taking the ticks and come out behind the wall, provided you have the health for it.

Armanewb · 12/09/11, 11:03 AM

Heroic Zon'ozz: You are unable to cloak-resist the Black Blood of Go'rath AoE, but you are able to cloak-immune a tick if timed well.

[23:59:15.136] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 14168 (R: 7084)
[23:59:17.170] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 21252 (R: 14168)
[23:59:18.275] Armanewb gains Cloak of Shadows from Armanewb
[23:59:18.275] Armanewb casts Cloak of Shadows
[23:59:19.164] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb Immune
[23:59:19.521] Eye of Go'rath's Black Blood of Go'rath (10) fades from Armanewb
[23:59:21.223] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 25760 (R: 6440)
[23:59:23.178] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 19320 (R: 12880)
[23:59:23.279] Armanewb's Cloak of Shadows fades from Armanewb
[23:59:25.213] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 28980 (R: 3220)


[00:02:27.878] Eye of Go'rath's Black Blood of Go'rath (11) fades from Armanewb
[00:02:29.139] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 29966 (R: 3542)
[00:02:29.414] Armanewb gains Cloak of Shadows from Armanewb
[00:02:29.414] Armanewb casts Cloak of Shadows
[00:02:31.104] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 23306 (R: 10626)
[00:02:31.932] Eye of Go'rath's Black Blood of Go'rath (10) fades from Armanewb
[00:02:33.132] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 24215 (R: 6440)
[00:02:34.401] Armanewb's Cloak of Shadows fades from Armanewb
[00:02:35.134] Eye of Go'rath Black Blood of Go'rath Armanewb 13621 (R: 3220)

Some further log parsing, you are able to Cloak Resist the Eye of Go'rath's Shadow Gaze. You are also able to Cloak Resist the Flail of Go'rath's Sludge spew, but it works off the time the spell was cast rather than when you get hit (i.e. if it's in the air, you're going to take damage from it). See below for some examples.

[22:20:16.060] Armanewb gains Cloak of Shadows from Armanewb
[22:20:16.060] Armanewb casts Cloak of Shadows
[22:20:19.395] Flail of Go'rath casts Sludge spew on Armanewb
[22:20:19.812] Flail of Go'rath casts Sludge spew on Armanewb
[22:20:21.114] Armanewb's Cloak of Shadows fades from Armanewb
[22:20:22.217] Flail of Go'rath Sludge spew Armanewb Miss
[22:20:24.183] Flail of Go'rath Sludge spew Armanewb Miss

[22:55:01.812] Flail of Go'rath casts Sludge spew on Armanewb
[22:55:03.113] Armanewb gains Cloak of Shadows from Armanewb
[22:55:03.113] Armanewb casts Cloak of Shadows
[22:55:05.699] Flail of Go'rath Sludge spew Armanewb 30237
[22:55:08.100] Armanewb's Cloak of Shadows fades from Armanewb

Millavanilla · 12/09/11, 9:16 PM

There's been a recent change to Disrupting Shadows on Heroic Zon'ozz. Cloak of Shadows successfully removes the debuff without knocking you or your fellow raiders back .

Pre-change:
[19:38:47.939] Warlord Zon'ozz Disrupting Shadows Millavanilla 39922 (R: 4436)
[19:38:49.921] Warlord Zon'ozz Disrupting Shadows Millavanilla 26614 (R: 17743)
[19:38:51.506] Millavanilla gains Cloak of Shadows from Millavanilla
[19:38:51.524] Warlord Zon'ozz's Disrupting Shadows fades from Millavanilla
[19:38:51.954] Unknown Disrupting Shadows Millavanilla Resist (13991)
[19:38:56.360] Millavanilla's Cloak of Shadows fades from Millavanilla

Source logs

Post-change:

[19:28:33.083] Millavanilla afflicted by Disrupting Shadows from Warlord Zon'ozz
[19:28:35.067] Warlord Zon'ozz Disrupting Shadows Millavanilla 32948 (R: 14121)
[19:28:35.642] Millavanilla gains Cloak of Shadows from Millavanilla
[19:28:35.642] Warlord Zon'ozz's Disrupting Shadows fades from Millavanilla
[19:28:40.652] Millavanilla's Cloak of Shadows fades from Millavanilla

Source Logs

sinnaa · 12/09/11, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Hamzsolja

Also if you read the spell on both normal and heroic on Dungeon Journal it says parry only. Who came up with this idea about hit...

Was something on PTR

Serration · 12/10/11, 12:32 AM

Hello everyone, first time poster, long time reader. Just wanted to inform that this piece of info on the first page is false.

Ultraxion
Heroic:
-You can stay down for 3 in a row by doing the following: CoS the first-->Feint the second-->CoS the third

This does not work. I tried both Feint -->CoS and CoS-->Feint. In both cases I ended up dead. There's no way for anyone to soak two Hour of Twilight in a row without dying.

Kortwa · 12/10/11, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Serration

Hello everyone, first time poster, long time reader. Just wanted to inform that this piece of info on the first page is false.

Ultraxion
Heroic:
-You can stay down for 3 in a row by doing the following: CoS the first-->Feint the second-->CoS the third

This does not work. I tried both Feint -->CoS and CoS-->Feint. In both cases I ended up dead. There's no way for anyone to soak two Hour of Twilight in a row without dying.

Were you using cloak to immune the damage? If you immune the damage you should not get Looming Darkness which is the limiting factor in soaking.

Serration · 12/11/11, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Kortwa

Were you using cloak to immune the damage? If you immune the damage you should not get Looming Darkness which is the limiting factor in soaking.

I was popping cloak before the cast went off, did not take any damage from it but still got the debuff. Didn't try to hit CoS right as the cast went off, so can't say if it'll work with better timing.

But if it does indeed work to immune it, that means you'd be able to stay down for more than 3 in a row. Still thinking that you'd die after the second soak since using feint won't prevent the debuff.

Hamzsolja · 12/11/11, 3:07 AM

Originally Posted by Serration

I was popping cloak before the cast went off, did not take any damage from it but still got the debuff. Didn't try to hit CoS right as the cast went off, so can't say if it'll work with better timing.

But if it does indeed work to immune it, that means you'd be able to stay down for more than 3 in a row. Still thinking that you'd die after the second soak since using feint won't prevent the debuff.

You can cloak resist the twilight cast but whether you cloak immune or resist you get the debuff. You will still die if you were to say feint first cast cloak second.

Serration · 12/11/11, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Hamzsolja

You can cloak resist the twilight cast but whether you cloak immune or resist you get the debuff. You will still die if you were to say feint first cast cloak second.

Ye that's my point, the tip on main page with CoS-->Feint-->Cos should be removed.

omnimon3000 · 12/11/11, 10:26 AM

BTW, just wondering, would a sub rogue specced enveloping shadows be able to live thru an icicle path via feint?

Shygo Ryu · 12/11/11, 1:27 PM

Warlord Zon'ozz HM:
Glyph of Kick works to reduce cd if you interrupt eyes (when they are narrowed on someone).
May help if you are solo on the Eye, but tbh, I still don't get it... What exactly am I interrupting?

Cloak is removing Disrupting Shadows without triggering it.

Seliathan · 12/11/11, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by omnimon3000

BTW, just wondering, would a sub rogue specced enveloping shadows be able to live thru an icicle path via feint?

Since you get more than one tick when walking through it, you're pretty much dead. Cloaking and feinting might just work, today I only got a single tick that killed me and I already was on the other side of the wall.

Shadowstepping through a wall if its close enough to a crystal should work fine though.

• Ryazan · 12/11/11, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by sinnaa

Hagara the Stormbinder:
-Can cloak immune the frost wall, but it is not recommended

Has anyone tried this recently, after Furtim mentioned it? Since last night while wiping on heroic Hagara, I tried cloaking the wall three times and I always ended up dying. Cloaking worked just fine on last Wednesday but not yesterday. So I wonder has this been changed and has someone else noticed it too or does the wall require just some extra-ordinary timing with cloak?

Foadser · 12/12/11, 12:39 AM

H: Hagara

If you're guild is using the "under the bubble strat" Imp sprint will remove and make you immune to further application of watery entrenchment so long as you stay under the bubble. Vanish and Cloak do not work for watery entrenchment.

káyl · 12/12/11, 5:34 AM

Originally Posted by sinnaa

Warmaster Blackhorn:
-Damage reduction cd's work on the large blast pools. It is possible to solo "tank" the blast with a damage reduction cd. We used spriest with dispersion, so I was unable to test solo tanking with Feint, but it could potentially be viable.

You could definitely solo tank it with enveloping shadows and perhaps without with a hand of sac or so, but it is not at all recommended since the ship will take 600k damage (this is 10man, dunno 25 but probably a lot more) and that precious ship needs every point of HP it can get.

Also, regarding Hagara: the frost walls have a MASSIVE frontal hitbox, much larger than the visual, shadowstep with caution. And Ice crystals can be backstabbed from any angle. It feels like almost everything in the entire instance can be backstabbed from any angle except Ultraxion T_T