Cataclysm 4.3.x Raid Mechanics - Page 7

Sarvius · 12/07/11, 1:48 AM

Just completed him on heroic, and the stomp is working fine - our dk was getting nearly oneshotted. I, on the other hand, was taking max 50-60k specced enveloping shadows.

Druss · 12/07/11, 4:28 AM

Madness of Deathwing:

You can't KS the Mutated Corruption. The ability just doesn't work.
The hit box on the main appendages is tiny so cuddle up
I think something in the fight does a lot of damage to weapons (i.e. not just death)

Xoui · 12/07/11, 5:16 AM

Originally Posted by Toomuchsugar

just killed morchok on heroic awhile ago and figured I'd throw out some helpful (no brainer) information. if you're a rogue chances are you will be sharing the stomp damage with one of the tanks, of course feint needs to be used every time but talents like reinforced armor, deadened nerves, or Enveloping shadows. and also glyphing for CoS (this isn't really needed but it helps)

so, as a combat rogue there is no chance getting the stomp with the tank? feint/glyphed CoS isnt enough to survive?

Zxian · 12/07/11, 5:25 AM

Feint alone is sufficient to survive a stomp, even without the additional talents from Subtlety. I was playing as Assassination tonight, and I was able to survive every stomp as long as I was at near-full health prior to the cast. You'll also want to make sure that you are very careful with your timing as the cast time on Stomp appears to be 1.5 seconds, leaving you little room for error to get Feint up. Glyphed Cloak can be a viable backup in case you happen to be on GCD by mistake.

Toomuchsugar · 12/07/11, 7:22 AM

If you are fully getting topped off each time, feint is enough. I only state this in case you want to help out the healers and not risk a death. (since combat doesn't need Blade twisting/imp gouge/imp kick/or imp sprint for this fight or prolly all of them, I figured the talent change would be beneficial to the raid)

Kelensan · 12/07/11, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by mckaguer

Its not pointless, as its off the gcd. If your soaking with a tank, you would know how stressful having to time feint is. Having cloak ready when you fuck up is a life saver. Definitely better then some dps during blood phase.

Uhhh with enveloping shadows you can survive a close range stomp without using feint even, although its not recomended cause it hits very hard.

Toomuchsugar · 12/07/11, 8:59 PM

Recup does not stack deep corruption on yor'sahj, not sure if this is a bug since DK heals will stack it.

Kelensan · 12/07/11, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by Toomuchsugar

Recup does not stack deep corruption on yor'sahj, not sure if this is a bug since DK heals will stack it.

Recup is a hot, dk thing is not, it's a direct heal

randyspears · 12/07/11, 9:49 PM

H: Warlord Zon'ozz (25)
Use killing spree with caution, it may teleport you do the, eh void of diffusion, and if it happen to be in front of the boss you might get yourself killed by the frontal cone attack (done that).
Also, neither feint nor cloak seem to prevent any damage in the shadow phase, not confirmed tho

Chult86 · 12/08/11, 1:01 AM

Originally Posted by randyspears

H: Warlord Zon'ozz (25)
Use killing spree with caution, it may teleport you do the, eh void of diffusion, and if it happen to be in front of the boss you might get yourself killed by the frontal cone attack (done that).
Also, neither feint nor cloak seem to prevent any damage in the shadow phase, not confirmed tho

I have never had this problem. Check the distance of the Orb when you use KS. Make sure you're giving yourself room.

Foadser · 12/08/11, 2:18 AM

H: Hagara

Vanish also removes the snare from the frost traps.

Enzo90910 · 12/08/11, 3:49 AM

Heroic Zonzozz: Feint worked for me for the raid wide dot in tentacle phase and should be used on cooldown. I am not sure about Cloak though.

Brundo · 12/08/11, 4:45 AM

Does anyone know if it is possible to cloak bounce the ball on Warlod Zon'ozz HC? I was playing with idea to have rogues in melee camp and shadow priests in ranged camp solo bounce the ball and by doing so quite decrease damage on raid.

As for feinting on morchok - since stomp timers were a bit off to me at least at start i had some unfortunate deaths due to GCD. But when i started precasting feint it worked like a charm. For timing i used crystal spawning and then waiting around 4 seconds then feinting and stomp was casted during the 6 seconds the feint was up every time.

plockzy · 12/08/11, 5:11 AM

Originally Posted by Brundo

Does anyone know if it is possible to cloak bounce the ball on Warlod Zon'ozz HC? I was playing with idea to have rogues in melee camp and shadow priests in ranged camp solo bounce the ball and by doing so quite decrease damage on raid.

I can confirm that using cloak (immunity) does work on the ball on heroic mode.

[21:32:22.483] Void of the Unmaking Void Diffusion Plockzy Immune

konsherps · 12/08/11, 5:50 AM

You can't cloak the healing debuff that stacks in Yor'sahj heroic resulting from the purple ooze.