Personally, I think cheat death is by far the best talent of that tier. In most situations, the damage that a rogue takes will most likely come from aoe damage that also affects other players, in this case, your healers will be using aoe heals to get the rest of the raid to full anyway, leeching poison will just waste a portion of your healer's aoe heals. Obviously there will be exceptions depending on the fight.

I believe that rather than baseline "you never know" talent, Cheat Death will be picked as a utility talent for those rare occassion when you intentionally "cheat death" instead of dying. When we take Dragon Soul encounters, I can think about quite a few mechanics that it could be used on. For example Zon'ozz bouncing, soaking Onslaughts and Impale, possibly even eating Morchok's black phase or soaking significant amount of Icelances on Hagara encounter. Hypothetically, of course. I am aware that there are other working methods right now.

But yeah, I can totally see Cheat Death being taken for some encounters in future.

Just wondering: is it just a display bug or don't rogues benefit themselves from Swiftblade's Cunning?
I don't see the buff on my rogue when in party, only on the other party members and I don't see any change in my attackspeed on the character screen.

I believe its a bug, there appears to be quite a few related to the showing of buffs currently, I made an Spriest and on the /8 buff panel it did not show Mind Quickening, it was up as a seperate buff outside of the box.

One thing I have noticed (that I've not seen mentioned so far) is the change to FoK.

Given the removal of thrown weapons FoK uses the MH and OH for all three specs now(which we already knew), however it can now proc melee enchants and effects (Landslide and Legendary stacking for example)

Looks like the Alchemist Stone won't be abysmal for rogues this time around:
Also looks like the Endless Healing Potions are back.

Hello. I am still waiting for beta access...

Please can you or someone else advise whether you can make a macro to cancel the Vanish buff to get that free opener quicker in PVE. If you cannot then this talent is pretty awful in PVE.

Also, please can someone advise whether Insight is now "a buff on the Rogue" as they said it would be. This is a pretty significant quality of life change.

Many thanks.

Indeed it is, which is a nice change for target swapping. (Also makes redirect, and its level 90 talent seem less useful)

With regards to the cancelaura for vanish, if you use it, you pop out of stealth. So the only way to regain the subterfuge buff in combat is to wait those 2-3 seconds while the vanish buff falls off and places you back in stealth. Hopefully this gets changed, as that would basically invalidate the talent as a useful choice in pve content.

As an aside, has anyone tested whether or not the DR from Elusiveness will stack with the base AoE DR of Feint? I'd like to think it does, but I'm not getting my hopes up. If it doesn't, it's just another tier of talents where pve rogues only have one choice, because relying on cheat death just doesn't seem optimal.

I did some basic testing. (took me awhile to find an AoE class that wasn't AFK)

With Feint+Elusiveness I took 1.8k from AoE,
With Feint alone I took 2.5k from the same AoE,
With neither I took just over 5k.

I put the small number diffrences down to procs on weapons/trinkets but it seems "so far" that it does stack, will test more and put some logs up.

Edit,

Some more testing with exact numbers

FoK hits with no Feint up 4050 (5 times repeated same number)
FoK hits with Feint up 2025 (repeated 5 times same number)
FoK Hits with Feint and Elusiveness 1417 and 1418 (even split, did 6 trys 3 of each)

Now I suppose the only question is whether or not the talent is worth the cost in energy. I'd wager yes, as 20 energy with raid buffs comes back fairly quickly.