We tried one tanking heroic Tsulong in 10 man tonight with me using growl to taunt off the MT and then cloak etc. Couldn't get it to work at all - as in it just did not taunt off the MT even though the ability went on CD. I notice others saying they had issues with this but what's the deal - is this ability broken (Symbiosis) when used on rogues or is it just this encounter or something?

Forgive this rhetorical question, but: what's the point in having an ability that is granted by another player (therefore usually used in a group) that is completely useless in one very major group effort within the game - namely Raids? Blizzard may as well trade in Growl for something else Druish Rogues can use...

It is probably the same treatment hunters get with their distracting shot, which doesn't work on many raid encounters, too. It may be for some balance reason or to prevent players from reducing the number of tanks needed, but every dk/ret can taunt the boss just fine, so I don't really get the reasoning behind it.

I don't expect a DK or a ret can tank a boss half as well as a rogue under Growl followed by evasion + Feint followed by glyphed CoS + Feint followed by Prep and so on, or kite a boss half as well as a hunter distracting it from 40y. In other words, a rogue or a hunter could very well take a tank spot in specific fights (where only a few seconds off-tanking is needed) whereas both DD-DK and ret can not, because they would get crit to high heaven.

EDIT: spelling

Is that true for H-Tsulong as well?

Yes, you tank takes 2, "off tank" takes one, tank takes 2 -> day phase... sadly rogues and hunters can't take the breath because their taunt apparently isn't a real taunt.

The reason it would be nice in Tsulong hc is rogues can cloak the breath which in general kills non tanks outright. This makes it possible to one tank the fight by taking the 3rd breath and allowing the mt (who can handle 2 in a row with CDs) to reset the debuff and take another 2 before day phase. If you don't do something like this you need 2 tanks which gives dps issues. So we should be able to do this and my take is that it is bugged in some way. There are other ways of course (we switched to one of our pally healers doing the taunt) but the point is if they give a rogue growl then it should function as a growl and in doing so they add a reason for rogues to be useful where often we are considered not much other than a dps.

I`m currently growling on HC Spirit Kings transition on Subetai. We usually wait for the 3rd flanking orders and then bring the 1st down to 30%. I growl, redirect 5 CP and evisc right of the bat. Then I spam hemo with evasion and combat readiness up. I`ve been able to hold the boss for more than 15 seconds on few attempts.

The spell gives you a high amount of threat but it is not a real taunt. I try to keep the boss away from the raid for the first few seconds, after I apply rupture I move closer, there seems to be a problem with people holding off their AoE, which to me as a rogue is stupid since we do aoe when we only want to.

I tried to use the "taunt" on HC Tsulong--was hoping it would pop me up to second in threat, and MT pally would drop his threat and I could take the third breath. I blew the CD while watching Omen a few times and noticed no threat gain whatsoever. I'm a little disappointed with this ability--it would have been very useful in a handful of fights. The health boost is cool, but rarely ever needed. Hopefully our symbiosis gets redesigned at some time, because I have it on me for a good number of fights since my boomkin has discovered the usefulness of CoS.

Quick question in regards to Sonic discharge and im not sure if this has been said/ answered so if so i am sorry for repost but do we know if Smoke Bomb will negate the effects?

oh duh, ty i kinda forgot about that