Mists of Pandaria 5.0.x Raid Mechanics - Page 2

kindath · 10/12/12, 10:53 AM

Any tips on killing sparks on Elegon as each spec? I find I'm running out of cooldowns as combat to kill them.

Assassination looks ideal for this fight, between the high damage execute phase and low rampup time on the sparks, but I don't have a good dagger to mutilate with.

blubderapo · 10/12/12, 11:19 AM

Hey kindath,

Assassination isn't just looking good for this fight, it is!
I'm running with 2x [Koegler's Ritual Knife] and did well on the sparks and on Elegon.
Because the Boss is lacking the ability to move, we melees have a longer way to reset the debuff. I made a quick macro to Shadowstep behind one of my healers, who stands on the edge of the inner circle (last phase). I simply step to him and reach the stack resetting zone.
just try to /target <healer>, /cast Shadowstep, /target Elegon

And of course, don't use dots on sparks

Edit: Tell this Healer he has to stand perfectly on the edge

Fae · 10/12/12, 11:24 AM

Killed him as Combat (I think it has the least ramp-up). Generally, this worked pretty well. But of course, every attempt was slightly different - lucky procs, help from a friend, going with less stacks, etc.

Nothing, just hit it.
Pooling energy before swap.
Pooling energy before swap, making sure SnD is up.
Redirect few CPs from the boss.
Killing Spree.
Adrenaline Rush - to use remaining duration back on the boss.

Hamsda · 10/12/12, 11:29 AM

You should maybe ask a DPS instead. Speaking from personal experience, we healers may need to move slightly into the ring to reach a tank, but DPS will always stand right at the edge

/cast [@<Playername>,nodead][@<Playername2>] Shadowstep
will give you a backup player to step to and let you keep your target. Not that it matters that much since you can't attack when you reset your debuffs anyways, I just don't really like /target macros because they sometimes can screw things up.

Abadawn · 10/13/12, 10:53 AM

I'm finding around 10k dps on the Charges by doing the following as mutilate:

During transition, get a 5CP Rupture up on Elegon, so that it applies as soon as he transitions and spawns the first Energy Charge
On charge spawn, I'd mutilate and if I had 2 CP I'd rupture, if I had 3 CP I'd go for another Muti and Envenom.
I used no cooldowns on charges
I would only feint if I killed my charge earlier than the others, and then I'd swap right back to the Elegon after clearing stacks
I'd try and keep a rupture going on Elegon if I was above 60% energy between phases, but I wasn't usually able to get a 5 CP rupture up after the initial two sparks without gimping my energy for the charge spawns
I'd save any blindside procs on Elegon to use on the charges. Usually you can get a quick 1 CP rupture up on the charges if you hold a Blindside.
I used redirect from Elegon -> Charge on our 3rd wave as I usually didn't have time to use it on a 4th or 5th.

Additionally, while this is kinda separate, if your raid has any DKs and your damage on charges seems low, make sure they are glyphing pestilence as they can spread their diseases to all charges as soon as they spawn - if one of them is frost you'll get the additional physical damage taken on these which helps, and a vengeance stacked blood DK can do some pretty crazy damage to Charges.

Also glyph of Vendetta is a DPS increase on Elegon. I was holding my Shadow Blades to line up with it, and I'm not sure if it was a mistake or not, but I think getting the two cooldowns to lineup for the final burn is worth it.

Abadawn · 10/13/12, 11:02 AM

Some other talent/ability useage info I was using on some bosses:

Feng the Accursed:

During his lightning phase, I'd stay for the first epicenter that we were not using the Immune Bubble for, and cloak after the first tick of damage.
My raid stacks on a ranged spot for Epicenter, I tried using Shuriken throw here, which raised my DPS during epicenter, but I felt like I was missing out on more CPs than I was generating over the rest of the fight.
During epicenters where I didn't have cloak, I'd be stacked on range and make sure I had tricks line up for this time and was using it on our highest DPS range, and I would throw daggers for pretty minimal damage and shadowstep back to the boss as soon as his cast stopped.

Will of the Emperor:
I started this fight on Courage/Strength/Rage/Boss priority before being moved to the boss fulltime, but on the Rages/Strengths unless there was 6+ targets in FoK range, I found that I did more damage getting a few low CP ruptures on three targets and single targeting them down.

Also probably worth noting that if you're late and running to a courage, you can shadowstep to them even if their shield is facing you.

EastonS · 10/13/12, 1:51 PM

Will of the emperor
A system we used for this guy was to have me tank the Strengths as much as possible. People that were kiting a rage would run in a circle around me and allow me to cleave whilst DPSing the strength. The ranged guys found they liked doing this most and it suited me just fine...

blubderapo · 10/15/12, 7:47 AM

Originally Posted by EastonS

Will of the emperor
A system we used for this guy was to have me tank the Strengths as much as possible. People that were kiting a rage would run in a circle around me and allow me to cleave whilst DPSing the strength. The ranged guys found they liked doing this most and it suited me just fine...

Jeah we did this too. I am the Raidlead and I found myself in a very good position for tanking the Strenght Mobs.
Actually we just played this encounter with just 1 melee in a 10 man group.

káyl · 10/16/12, 3:16 AM

Gara'jal: Smoke bomb works on shadowbolts from adds in shadow realm. Anyone not in it will be destroyed though. Glyph it to make it 7 seconds and a powerful defensive cooldown for once

Spirit Kings: Cowardice (damage reflection) can be cloaked and won't reapply until cloak runs out. Maddening Shout can be cloaked (immune only?). 5cp RvS kidney gives you an 8 second stun, Sleight of Hand is 9 seconds. Talent Prey on the Weak for extra deeps.

Come on guys, keep the heroic tips and tricks flowing!

bi0bi0 · 10/18/12, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by káyl

Gara'jal: Smoke bomb works on shadowbolts from adds in shadow realm. Anyone not in it will be destroyed though. Glyph it to make it 7 seconds and a powerful defensive cooldown for once

Spirit Kings: Cowardice (damage reflection) can be cloaked and won't reapply until cloak runs out. Maddening Shout can be cloaked (immune only?). 5cp RvS kidney gives you an 8 second stun, Sleight of Hand is 9 seconds. Talent Prey on the Weak for extra deeps.

Come on guys, keep the heroic tips and tricks flowing!

Will of the Emporer Heroic
No Idea why so many Rogues specced into Cheat Death for this Fight, i realy recommend Elusiveness. You can easily soak the Titan Sparks (sidenote: you can play the Encounter with only 2 Tanks and if you have enough Melees Sticking at the Boss, a Rogue will perform better on the Strength than a Tank), keep the Titan Gas Dmg very low (5k ticks instead of 15k, remind its perma up in Heroic) and it also lowers the Damage if you fail @ the Devastating Combo that you wont die if you fail again.

Elegon
-Feint+Elusiveness is great against the Total Annilation (?) from the Celestial Protector, with some external Support (Shield etc.) you wont get stunned.
-Blade Flurry hits the Energy Charges when they spawn

Spirit Kings
-Sleight of Hand is only 8 seconds, you can stun @ 0.1 left from the cast and he will be stunned until the Buff fades
-Shadow Blades and Blade Flurry count both as Special Ability and will trigger all Shields
-They remove all Debuffs when they cast their Shield so Rupture/Rvs should be applied right
- You can Shadowstep through the Flanking Orders

Simply · 10/20/12, 8:31 AM

Originally Posted by kindath

Any tips on killing sparks on Elegon as each spec? I find I'm running out of cooldowns as combat to kill them.

Assassination looks ideal for this fight, between the high damage execute phase and low rampup time on the sparks, but I don't have a good dagger to mutilate with.

It's possible to Blade Flurry them. If you mange to get 5 CP up on Elegon, position yourself (nearly) perfectly it's possible to Eviscerate your Spark as soon as it spawns. After that you should be able to kill it with auto attacks.

You can also try it with Versatility instead of Anticipation. Should be cake with Versatility but it's obviously a DPS loss once you hit the last phase.

Now onto the topic:

The Stone Guard:

Cobalt Guardian:

- If you're extremely unlucky with his Phase you can just use Cloak and trigger some traps to make life for your raid easier.

Elegon:

- It's not possible to cloak the healing debuff.

- The damage from the Empyreal Focus is not cloakable but you can get lucky and walk trough between the "ticks" of damage they deal.

Omanko · 10/20/12, 11:34 AM

Also Elegon: Shadowstepping to an Empyreal Focus puts you in fire, meaning you will likely die. Haven't tested Killing Spree, but it's likely equally dangerous.

Simply · 10/20/12, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Omanko

Haven't tested Killing Spree, but it's likely equally dangerous.

I can confirm that it will kill you most of the time.

diodiablo · 10/20/12, 8:14 PM

It's better to use KS on the last spark or on Elegon itself, the empyreal foci aren't good cd targets anyway. On the other hand, ShS could be useful to move across the fire walls, if you need to do it simply target a raid member, as ShS can be used also on friendly targets.

Orises · 10/21/12, 3:54 AM

Heroic Feng: Glyph of Deadly Momentum does not seem to work on the "soul fragments" which spawn during his Essence of the Shield phase. Maybe I got really unlucky with getting KB's on them during all the wipes, but I doubt it.

Gara'jal: Glyph of Deadly Momentum works on the adds in the spirit realm on Gara'jal. You can also re-direct from these adds (dead or still alive) back to the boss once you use your special action button to exit the spirit realm.

Elegon: Glypg of Deadly Momentum works on Energy Sparks. Shadow stepping to an Empyreal Focus can (always will?) put you on top if of it and cause you to take damage. I don't advise using Killing Spree on the Energy Sparks if your intention is to use it as a single target dps CD - you will teleport all over, hitting many of them. For Sub, I pool CPs until right before they spawn then pop a CT on them all and get SV going on the one I am assigned to chase down. For Assassination, I make sure I will be leaving a rupture on Elegon when I switch to a newly spawned Spark so I have some energy regen. For all specs, you want to pool energy while waiting for Spark spawns; chasing them with 0 energy makes it hard to kill them.

Will of the Emperor: Opportunistic strike does not seem to scale with Bandit's Guile or be affected by Find Weakness/Weakened Armor. I have yet to test Vendetta, but I suspect this also will not stack. It does seem to be affected by the "Physical Vulnerability" debuff brought by DKs and Warriors, among others, and I saw several 520000 (500k * 1.04) damage hits from it.