Mists of Pandaria 5.0.x Raid Mechanics - Page 3

jsz · 10/22/12, 6:20 PM

Opportunistic Strikes do not benefit from Vendetta. I initially thought they might somehow based on also seeing them hit for 520k but the 4% physical vulnerability makes up for that.

sinnaa · 10/23/12, 10:29 AM

Should be mostly updated through this post. Major updated noted in blue.

Schmoopy · 10/24/12, 12:22 AM

For Gara'jal, I tested using feint with elusiveness tonight and it does not work to reduce damage from Voodoo Dolls.

This was in heroic mode granted, but I doubt that has any effect.

Simply · 10/24/12, 1:23 PM

Voodoo Doll just transfers the damage the main target takes.

As far as I know only Absorb and Immunity effects work on the spreading damage.

Schmoopy · 10/24/12, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Simply

Voodoo Doll just transfers the damage the main target takes.

As far as I know only Absorb and Immunity effects work on the spreading damage.

That was what I thought as well, but then I read this on Sinnaa's first post of thread:

Originally Posted by sinnaa

Gara'jal
-Feint and Elusiveness work well with Voodoo Dolls

So I decided to test it in raid last night, and verified that elusiveness + feint has no effect on voodoo doll damage.

rayanne · 10/24/12, 2:59 PM

Elusiveness + Feint will reduce YOUR incoming damage, which would reduce the voodoo doll damage that you inflict onto other players. However, the majority of the deaths from voodoo dolls are going to be due to damage taken by the tank.

I think Cheat Death is a useful talent to have for this particular fight, especially when in the "learning stages" of heroic. There are moments (in 10m anyway) where you might get targeted by multiple shadowy minions, and subsequently nuked with damage. Cheat Death helps reduce deaths from that.

sinnaa · 10/24/12, 5:58 PM

Originally Posted by Schmoopy

That was what I thought as well, but then I read this on Sinnaa's first post of thread:

So I decided to test it in raid last night, and verified that elusiveness + feint has no effect on voodoo doll damage.

Updating and removing that portion of the post

Mohzee · 10/25/12, 2:03 AM

For heroic elegon, rogues can be a soaker for total annihilation. Total annihilation is cloak immunable but not resistable. What I do is pop feint before hand just in case I mistime it.

[23:14:51.424] Kinetics gains Cloak of Shadows from Kinetics
[23:14:51.424] Kinetics casts Cloak of Shadows
[23:14:51.616] Celestial Protector Total Annihilation Kinetics Immune

Edit: After doing the boss more, cloak will not immune the stun. If you are below 80% health after immuning the Total Annihilation you will get stunned no matter what.

Schmoopy · 10/25/12, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by rayanne

Elusiveness + Feint will reduce YOUR incoming damage, which would reduce the voodoo doll damage that you inflict onto other players. However, the majority of the deaths from voodoo dolls are going to be due to damage taken by the tank.

I think Cheat Death is a useful talent to have for this particular fight, especially when in the "learning stages" of heroic. There are moments (in 10m anyway) where you might get targeted by multiple shadowy minions, and subsequently nuked with damage. Cheat Death helps reduce deaths from that.

I am still a fan of leeching poison for the shiv 5% heal on 10 (or 8 if glyphed) sec CD. Plus the persistant heal is nothing to scoff at. I guess the problem with Cheat Death (in 25 man at least) is that though it may save you from a bad gib, the other 2 voodoo dolled targets do not have this talent and will most likely die (I guess, unless you get 3 rogues voodoo'ed).

Orises · 10/27/12, 1:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mohzee

For heroic elegon, rogues can be a soaker for total annihilation. Total annihilation and the subsequent stun is cloak immunable but not resistable. What I do is pop feint before hand just in case I mistime it.

[23:14:51.424] Kinetics gains Cloak of Shadows from Kinetics
[23:14:51.424] Kinetics casts Cloak of Shadows
[23:14:51.616] Celestial Protector Total Annihilation Kinetics Immune

If you are the only one it hits and you immune it, do you trigger Catastrophic Anomaly?

Simply · 10/27/12, 6:22 AM

Originally Posted by Orises

If you are the only one it hits and you immune it, do you trigger Catastrophic Anomaly?

No, he doesn't. Otherwise he wouldn't be used as a soaker, obviously.

Paelli · 10/27/12, 7:17 PM

Prey on the weak and Nerve strike both work for subetai.

Nerio · 10/28/12, 2:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mohzee

For heroic elegon, rogues can be a soaker for total annihilation. Total annihilation is cloak immunable but not resistable. What I do is pop feint before hand just in case I mistime it.

[23:14:51.424] Kinetics gains Cloak of Shadows from Kinetics
[23:14:51.424] Kinetics casts Cloak of Shadows
[23:14:51.616] Celestial Protector Total Annihilation Kinetics Immune

Edit: After doing the boss more, cloak will not immune the stun. If you are below 80% health after immuning the Total Annihilation you will get stunned no matter what.

Based on experience, I can confirm this. You don't take any damage, and the raid wipe mechanic won't trigger. I'm not sure if you get stunned if you are below 80% to start off with though; I was always above 80% when I tried.

Zujamar · 10/29/12, 8:08 AM

Symbiosis-Growl taunt component doesn't seem to work in raids (for whatever sinister purposes you had in mind).

Isebel · 10/31/12, 2:49 PM

Just as a minor thing, Blade Flurry could potentially be very good for Garalon pending your raid's strat and DPS.