Well... Combat is better, but I think there's a caveat about "assuming equivalent gear" here. Assassination, while attacking a single leg, is going to do roughly 2x its usual damage on account of the damage bonus. Combat will be doing about 90% of its single-target DPS to the leg (reduced for the BF energy penalty), doubled to 1.8x on the leg, and cleave maybe 2/3 of that onto the body (as poisons don't transfer). So they'll be doing, perhaps, 2.4x-2.5x their single target DPS while attacking a leg. However, it also bears mention that Combat can't really KSp on the fight, which eats into that advantage to some extent.

Add it all up, and Combat is probably 15%-20% ahead assuming all other things are equal - which is a pretty solid advantage and definitely worth getting.

The key words there, however, are "all other things being equal". If, for instance, you're using 502 daggers of Stone Kings but still haven't found a MH Fist that's better than a 463 dungeon blue, there's going to be a significant gap between your baseline Combat efficacy and your baseline Assassination efficacy. I suspect in practice that gap is less than the 15% it would need to be in most cases, such that Combat is "usually" going to be better; but depending on the exact circumstances, there may be cases where Assassination is competitive and possibly even superior, as opposed to being clearly inferior as it was before.

Regarding Garalon, dying legs do not seem to grant the Rupture energy refund via VW (thus favoring combat ever-so-slightly more).

On Empress, someone in my raid asked me if the mastery effected the poison buff and linked that I had a poison hit for around sixty-two thousand. At the time I was combat so, as has been stated in the first post, this wasn't this case. This has lead me to be curious about Bandit's Guile and Imbued Poison. Going to pay close attention to my logs for our next kill to see if this is in fact the case.

Even if it does effect the poison, I don't see a way to increase the amount it procs during a Deep Insight.

I would like to ask someone to take over this thread. I am going very casual as I just don't have the time and work too much to fully operate at a high level anymore.

THank you everyone for the input and feedback over the last year or 2.

I will be on Ticho-alliance, hopefully as sinnaabun still.

I wish everyone the best and maybe I'll see you around.

Sorry to hear that (from our point of view anyway lol). I am very thankful for your contributions, you (as with many of the others here) have made our roguely lives a lot easier. So, thanks!

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Feng Heroic
We have been using the strat to delay the adds on the shield phase for an extra nullify (we nullify the 1st, delay the adds for a second nuillify, nuke the 3rd and then nullify the 4th). If you are using this strat then envenom+crippling poison with crippling poison glyph works well (Heroic madness blobs all over again )

I also have a question. How many stacks of Overcharged are people soaking on Elegon before they reset, I have slowly been trying to push a little more but it would be good to share how far it is safe to push if other rogues have been more adventurous!

Shadowstepping back to Elegon from outside the ring seems to place you directly in the center of his hitbox, exposing you to his breath.

Shadowstepping on Elegon places you sometimes in the air on Elegon, but still behind his center. When you fall down straight you are still behind him, however, you can alter your fallangle a little bit one time in a straight fall. So you might want to stand still while shadowstepping to Elegon just in Case.

I can give you the first post in the thread if both you and sinnaa are okay with that. Shoot me a PM when you're ready to do the handoff (i.e., you have your rough draft of a new first post ready).

I'm okay with whoever feels they have the time to properly manage this thread taking over it.

Thanks for all the comments. I have really enjoyed working with everyone over the last few years. There just comes a time when you can't manage what you once could in the game and that time just recently came for me... It was hard to walk away from hardcore progression, but months of sleeping2-4 hours just wasnt worth it anymore :-P

BLADE LORD:

This isn't really directly rogue related, but something that should be noted for your raid as a whole: If a boomkin gives you symbiosis, he/she will gain Cloak of Shadows. The boomkin can use Cloak of Shadows to remove the Wind Step debuff, which is pretty nasty on heroic. (melee don't get this debuff)

In general this thread should be mostly for information that applies specifically to rogues; this isn't a general boss strategy thread.

Symbiosis is sort of an awkward case in that it mostly applies to druids, but isn't necessarily the sort of thing they're going to be testing reliably.

In this particular case, I think the fact that Wind Step can be cloaked is useful to rogues in its own right, as while it doesn't target us, if positioning gets screwed up it is possible that you'll wind up with it. So I might suggest something like:

"The Wind Step debuff can be cloaked. As it does not target melee, you generally shouldn't need to worry about this barring positioning errors, but your druids might find the information useful as they can gain cloak via Symbiosis"