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Old 11/26/12, 1:34 PM   #106
Pathal
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They ran out of melee range so KS would only attack the leg.

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[21:28:17.903] Xcase gains Killing Spree from Xcase
[21:28:17.903] Xcase casts Killing Spree
[21:28:18.273] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 45273
[21:28:18.631] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 48761
[21:28:19.072] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 46250
[21:28:19.837] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 49786
[21:28:20.282] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 42073
[21:28:20.708] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 48012
[21:28:20.915] Xcase's Killing Spree fades from Xcase
[21:28:21.083] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 51198
[21:29:36.735] Xcase gains Killing Spree from Xcase
[21:29:36.735] Xcase casts Killing Spree
[21:29:37.146] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 56667
[21:29:37.530] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg *118092*
[21:29:37.946] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 58393
[21:29:38.343] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 55329
[21:29:39.137] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 39188
[21:29:39.546] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 36443
[21:29:39.744] Xcase's Killing Spree fades from Xcase
[21:29:39.970] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg *82409*
[21:31:23.497] Xcase gains Killing Spree from Xcase
[21:31:23.497] Xcase casts Killing Spree
[21:31:23.798] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 38166
[21:31:24.240] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 43488
[21:31:24.643] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 42276
[21:31:25.459] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg *88337*
[21:31:25.864] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg *76193*
[21:31:26.247] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 34770
[21:31:26.505] Xcase's Killing Spree fades from Xcase
[21:31:26.677] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 43620
[21:32:59.348] Xcase gains Killing Spree from Xcase
[21:32:59.349] Xcase casts Killing Spree
[21:32:59.705] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 25738
[21:33:00.108] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 43321
[21:33:00.507] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 43715
[21:33:01.289] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 44163
[21:33:01.729] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 42481
[21:33:02.141] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg 42593
[21:33:02.332] Xcase's Killing Spree fades from Xcase
[21:33:02.563] Xcase Killing Spree Garalon's Leg *100785*

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Old 11/26/12, 9:18 PM   #107
Desuka
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Oh, are the targets Killing Spree can attack determined by what's within range when you initiate killing spree, rather than what's near you at any given jump?

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Old 11/27/12, 1:37 PM   #108
Knarcus
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Goblin Rogue
 
Azshara (EU)
Originally Posted by Desuka View Post
Oh, are the targets Killing Spree can attack determined by what's within range when you initiate killing spree, rather than what's near you at any given jump?
On Garalon that is the case.

using KS on the front legs is more beneficial because 100% of the KS Damge will be partially copied by Blade Flurry.
while using KS on the rear legs I experienced about 20% of my KS hits being partially copied.

I think this is due to the front legs being closer to the body than the rear legs.

However, on the front legs you have to be very cautious, using KS while being a little too close will teleport you into the purple circle. The rear legs are more position friendly regarding that.


Back to KS: My Raidgroup pulls Blade Lord Takaya (2nd Boss) right from the start into one side of the room, which means the boss will run for about 5 seconds. While he is running, my char will automatically catch up with him while he is still running.

So the targets of KS might be determined on the press of the button, but the overall range of KS in terms of following a target might not be limited.

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Old 11/27/12, 6:04 PM   #109
Unomeme
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Pandaren Rogue
 
Gilneas
Where do you need to be positioned exactly to avoid triggering a crush w/ KS ?

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Old 11/27/12, 6:21 PM   #110
Knarcus
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Originally Posted by Unomeme View Post
Where do you need to be positioned exactly to avoid triggering a crush w/ KS ?
Imagine a line going through the Center of the purple circle to the circle of the leg you are targeting.
Now extend that line outwards, follow that line to max KS range, voila, you can safely KS

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Old 11/27/12, 8:11 PM   #111
nonmagical
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I'm not sure if KS grey's out if you are out of range, but the simplest way to do it would be to target the body, run away (in the direction of a leg that is up) until it grey's out, and then target the leg which you should still be in range of. Killing Spree's range is 10 yards according to wowhead, so you really don't need to be terribly far from the body to be safe.

Just be careful not to confuse the purple circle with the body's hitbox. The hitbox is much larger. So you may be 10 yards from the purple circle but still in range of him to killing spree.

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Old 11/30/12, 1:48 AM   #112
bromli
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Korgath
The shadow blades bug has been fixed. I tested autoattacks, mutilate, killing spree, and FoK, and all proc poisons under shadow blades.

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Old 12/03/12, 8:18 PM   #113
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Glyph of Deadly Momentum does not work on the adds in Will of the Emperor.

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Old 12/05/12, 8:31 AM   #114
Egészségére
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Human Rogue
 
Azuremyst (EU)
At Sha of Fear you can cleave adds if theyre close, and you can cleave from adds to Sha if theyre somewhat close, since he got a pretty big hitbox.

Also youre immune to the dreadspray fear while casting killing spree, not sure if it gives immunity to the damage.

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Old 12/05/12, 4:30 PM   #115
metzli
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You can also safely shadowstep back behind the boss as soon as the breath starts, you do not need to wait for the graphic to fade or the cast to end (on sha of fear).

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Old 12/06/12, 11:05 AM   #116
Druss
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Orc Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
The statement that you can use CoS in the Elegon HC encounter to soak is wrong. Logs show I cloaked in the same second as Total Annihilation (0.31 of a second later so well within the 0.5). This is a "cloak immune" (within 0.5 seconds of CoS cast) situation if ever there was one - and it obviously didn't work. See below from logs:

[20:54:42.603] Drúss hits Celestial Protector 1 (O: 10546)
[20:54:42.603] Drúss gains Cloak of Shadows from Drúss
[20:54:42.603] Drúss casts Cloak of Shadows
[20:54:42.857] Drúss's Rupture fades from Celestial Protector
[20:54:42.858] Drúss's Deadly Poison fades from Celestial Protector
[20:54:42.911] Paperclip's Elemental Oath fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Paperclip's Burning Wrath fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Paperclip's Grace of Air fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Lument's Moonkin Aura fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Iwasadwarf's Power Word: Fortitude fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Zayonts's Arcane Brilliance fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Ieezer's Mark of the Wild fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Drúss's Windsong fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Nelari's Blessing of Might fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Sovica's Battle Shout fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Drúss's Well Fed fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Drúss's Blindside fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Unknown's Dancing Steel fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Drúss's Cloak of Shadows fades from Drúss
[20:54:42.911] Celestial Protector Total Annihilation Drúss 408581 (O: 83279)
[20:54:43.265] Drúss dies

Full log of what became a wipe as a result: Details for Drúss - 05-12 18:12 - Amicus - World of Logs

So i think we might want to take another look at the use of Cloak in this encounter.........and I am prompted to ask the obvious: does Feint work on Heroic to soak?! Assuming it does I guess that would be an easy way to manage the soak, especially glyphed. Perhaps stupidly I relied on the information at the start of this post to just cloak instead.

Moral of story: don't try soak with Cloak on Elegon HC and consider amending the statement that you can cloak immune this.

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Old 12/06/12, 5:02 PM   #117
metzli
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Shadowmoon
You can in fact cloak immune it. But you have to cloak before the cast begins. Meaning you need to anticipate the cast pretty precisely to pull it off (cloak is 5 seconds, the cast is 4 seconds. You have a 1 second window). Feint is a much safer option.

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Old 12/10/12, 4:38 AM   #118
Seliathan
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Originally Posted by metzli View Post
You can in fact cloak immune it. But you have to cloak before the cast begins. Meaning you need to anticipate the cast pretty precisely to pull it off (cloak is 5 seconds, the cast is 4 seconds. You have a 1 second window). Feint is a much safer option.
This would be a change in what we understand to be "immune cloaking" something, since it meant to use the initial few .x seconds of cloak that would provide full immunity to basically every spell there is. This has been drastically changed in MoP together with the amount of debuffs cloak removes at all (there is a few that are dispellable but still won't be removed by cloak) and the old 'way' of "immune-cloaking" certainly doesn't work on Elegon HC. What you describe would imply that the part of cloak that made us avoid spells completely has been put into the last few .x seconds of cloak, and unless you can provide a log showcasing the scenario I find that somewhat hard to believe.

As far as feinting goes: It works, as does elusiveness, which is highly recommended on the fight. With a disc priest PW:S you don't even drop below 90% and can continue DPSing right away. Also, dont forget that you only have to stand outside when the annihilation cast finished, so wait inside as to not get hit by the pulses beforehand, and step outside a second before the cast finishes.

Regarding Killing-Spree on Sha of Fear, it avoids the fear-part of the spell, but you will still take full (and most likely lethal) damage from it. You can feint before KSing though, as to minimize the amount of damage you receive.
What I noticed on this fight is, that shadowstepping inside the "safezone" won't grant the immunity to the breath for sure, sometimes I wouldn't get hit, sometimes I would, so I'd recommend walking inside and using shadowstep to get behind the boss asap and not the other way around.

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Old 12/10/12, 11:32 AM   #119
metzli
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Shadowmoon
You're misinterpreting how that changes cloak. What it's saying is that some spells you need to cloak before the cast to immune. Has nothing to do with it being later in the cloak's uptime.

As far as getting you a log, we don't use a rogue to soak Elegon at all, so I can't really do that. But I have definately cloaked it before as a soaker and it would only work when I preempted the cast.

Also, the killing spree comment from the previous poster was not about Breath of Fear. It was about dread spray on the add platform.

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Old 12/10/12, 6:46 PM   #120
jAsOs
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Early during my heroic Elegon progression, i learnt that cloak does NOT work to soak.
Tested it multiple ways.
1) Cloaking before the cast ~2s is over.
2) Cloaking right before the cast goes off >1s

Instantly removes all existing harmful spell effects, provides a brief moment of immunity against magical damage and harmful effects, and then causes you to resist all spells for 5 sec. Does not remove effects that prevent you from using Cloak of Shadows. - Tooltip of Cloak of Shadows.

IIRC "cloak immuning" means utilizing the immunity part of the cloak, which is about 1s of it to prevent certain spells from doing anything to you. The timing as to when you use cloak has to be precise, if not it will not work.

I haven't noticed any spells that can be cloak immuned in MoP, and IIRC there's was only 1 or 2 encounters is back in cata that cloak immune was useful.

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