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Old 12/11/12, 4:07 PM   #151
Onner
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Pandaren Rogue
 
Ner'zhul
Scaling

With how scaling is for Combat and Assassination how long do you think it will take for Combat to surpass Assassination or will Assassination will always stay ahead on single target fights?

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Old 12/11/12, 11:29 PM   #152
metzli
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Shadowmoon
As far as I can tell assassination scales better than combat. They were fairly close in lower gear, but with more gear it scales ahead quit a bit single target.

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Old 12/18/12, 4:36 AM   #153
Druss
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Orc Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
Questions about SK Heroic:

I know you can auto-attack Qiang's shields and I am pretty sure you CANNOT do the same for Subetai (when unstunned and using his ability) and/or Zian's shield but it would be good if this could be confirmed because if you CAN auto-attack the others as well it will certainly be less of a stop/start fight. We got this fight down last night and I was stopping all attacks on Zian but someone triggered him a few times causing wipes and we THINK it was DoTs but again - should it matter if DoTs are on him so long as you don't actually cast/use an ability?!

Questions about Will HC:

Any thoughts on the best spec for Heroic Will of Emps and has anyone tried Shuriken Toss in this encounter in circumstances where you are assigned to soaking Sparks?

I had a few shots at this at the end of last night's raid and found myself quite energy starved as mutilate and damage was low + couldn't do a thing to the Emps themselves in the in quiet no add phase without risking a cleave. So I have been considering Combat with Shuriken toss for some damage in that phase + for long range crip application - maybe even Sub?!

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Old 12/18/12, 7:09 PM   #154
metzli
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Pandaren Rogue
 
Shadowmoon
DoT's don't proc their shields. Autoattacks or hunters do (glaives), at least on Shadow guy.

Shuriken toss would probably be worthwhile, I've done fine as the soaker without it though. But you could probably squeeze more dps out of shirken toss than the other 2 options as a soaker. As far as dodging cleaves, L2 dodge cleaves I guess?

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Old 12/19/12, 5:53 AM   #155
jAsOs
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Troll Rogue
 
Nagrand
@Druss - You can see who triggered the shields. Blizz made it so that it emotes the person who hit it. I am unclear about melee hits on shields. I just walk away and target off it when shield is up.

For Will HC, either spec would do fine. It depends on your role within the raid group, personally i tank strengths and soak that spark and whatever that comes my way. Downtime is irrelevant for that encounter, obeying the mechanics is more important.

As for shuriken toss, it could be useful in building cps for recup and SnD.

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Old 12/19/12, 1:21 PM   #156
Noskiller
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Human Rogue
 
Burning Legion (EU)
Quick one:
Does Elusiveness work like this:
80% aoe reduced, 30% anything else or
50% aoe reduced, 30% anything else?

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Old 12/19/12, 1:28 PM   #157
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Burning Blade
Originally Posted by Noskiller View Post
Quick one:
Does Elusiveness work like this:
80% aoe reduced, 30% anything else or
50% aoe reduced, 30% anything else?
65% aoe reduced, 30% anything else. The 30% reduction and 50% reduction stack multiplicatively.

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Old 12/20/12, 2:23 PM   #158
Ashvael
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Troll Rogue
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by Druss View Post
Questions about SK Heroic:

I know you can auto-attack Qiang's shields and I am pretty sure you CANNOT do the same for Subetai (when unstunned and using his ability) and/or Zian's shield but it would be good if this could be confirmed because if you CAN auto-attack the others as well it will certainly be less of a stop/start fight. We got this fight down last night and I was stopping all attacks on Zian but someone triggered him a few times causing wipes and we THINK it was DoTs but again - should it matter if DoTs are on him so long as you don't actually cast/use an ability?!
You can auto-attack any shield in this fight as a rogue. DoTs and Venomous Wounds won't proc it either.

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Old 12/28/12, 8:26 AM   #159
chaqqo
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Magtheridon (EU)
Should i have BF enabled when i AOE multiple targets?

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Old 01/02/13, 6:50 PM   #160
Brandontu
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Perenolde
Originally Posted by chaqqo View Post
Should i have BF enabled when i AOE multiple targets?
BF functions as a cleave mechanic making any damage you do to one target apply to another. As such, it is a DPS increase to use it when you're attacking anything more than just one target.

Please note that in patch 5.2 BF is changing significantly, so this answer will likely change after the final patch is pushed through.

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Old 01/03/13, 12:40 AM   #161
Rosvall
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Tarren Mill (EU)
Originally Posted by Brandontu View Post
BF functions as a cleave mechanic making any damage you do to one target apply to another. As such, it is a DPS increase to use it when you're attacking anything more than just one target.

Please note that in patch 5.2 BF is changing significantly, so this answer will likely change after the final patch is pushed through.
Actually, this isn't really the case. At some point the damage you lose from less FoK (due to lower energy gain) will exceed the duplicated auto hits.

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Old 01/04/13, 3:32 AM   #162
Marclivis
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Dragonmaw
Has anyone read anything about the [Zen Alchemist Stone] being bugged for apparently just rogues? It had a buggy proc before, and it was supposedly fixed, but sitting on the dummy I don't see any procs at all from auto/special attacks. Recuperate and poisons still seem to proc it though, and it goes off almost immediately when I put those on. Those I've talked to say that it's working "normally" for other classes.

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Old 01/04/13, 10:16 AM   #163
Zilenzzer
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
PVE and PVP Rogue Spec choice in 5.1 ->

First of all im sorry if i pupblish this in wrong thread... but i have searched alot for finding the right thread for my questions...
I have played WoW since the beginning but had a break for 1year. And now im back and everything has changed in the talent tree.. Im feeling lost and everywhere i search for info the answers is always different. So my hope is here at the best of the best... Elitist Jerks!

Question 1:
Im looking for a simple guide or person that can explain to me where i can find a proper spec for both PVE and PVP for Rogues (dual spec)?

Question 2:
Is rogue so nerfed that peaple choose other class, nowadys?

Question 3:
Is Sub still No:1 preferd spec in PvP?

Ihope someone could answer to my simple questions or at least guide me where to look?

Thanks all!

/Zilenzzer

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Old 01/04/13, 11:03 AM   #164
Un4s
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Kult der Verdammten (EU)
Hi there, and welcome back!

Originally Posted by Zilenzzer View Post
Question 1:
Im looking for a simple guide or person that can explain to me where i can find a proper spec for both PVE and PVP for Rogues (dual spec)?
The rogue forum here on EJ has PVE guides for every spec. Just look in the corresponding threads right here.
Another good source for guides is either Icy Veins or Noxxic (which is very simplified).

For PVP there's this thread at arenajunkies.com:
Vishas and Hildegard's rogue guide - approved by Reckful - Rogue - Arena Junkies

Originally Posted by Zilenzzer View Post
Question 2:
Is rogue so nerfed that peaple choose other class, nowadys?
Depends on who you ask. We're not top notch right now, but we're at a pretty good state nonetheless.
Greatest issue about rogues atm is mobility in pvp and this will get kind of fixed in the next patch.
Originally Posted by Zilenzzer View Post
Question 3:
Is Sub still No:1 preferd spec in PvP?

Ihope someone could answer to my simple questions or at least guide me where to look?
You can play every spec in pvp now but yes, most pvp rogues still prefer sub.

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Old 01/04/13, 4:11 PM   #165
metzli
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Icy veins says mutilate rogue should use CT...so not perhaps the best source of information.

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