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Old 11/16/12, 5:59 AM   #136
Hamsda
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I think Blizz fixed the issue with "a stronger spell is already present" the same time when they added the ability to clip almost any buff/debuff, because that would somewhat nullify the new flexibility.

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Old 11/16/12, 8:39 AM   #137
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As far as the Elegon discussion goes, I found that the best way to handle them is to just use your redirect to put a rupture on the boss after the first 2-3 orbs (depending on how many orbs your raid does and how good your dps is on orbs) and then always open with Mutilate > rupture on orbs. I had issues killing them sometimes when I was opening with envenom also. As soon as I started rupturing them initially they drop like flies. With the gear I have now I can usually kill through the 6th wave before they pass the halfway point (our raid stops at 6 waves).

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Old 11/20/12, 7:05 PM   #138
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I have been trying Wind Lord Mel'jarak today, and I wonder what is your rotation for this fight, and what kind of dps can you put out while killing the adds?

I haven't worked out an optimal opening, but I after I have burnt all my CDs I go with spam FoK while tabbing between the adds and applying 2 CP rapture to each, while trying to keep up SnD.

I have analyzed some top dps logs on worldoflogs, and it seems this is what most of the rogues are doing, but I just can't figured out the opening.

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Old 11/20/12, 7:14 PM   #139
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Exploit the hell out of the CT bug. Makes it seem like you have infinite combo points.

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Old 11/21/12, 12:21 AM   #140
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I have a mutilate rogue I'm leveling. For the main hand dagger, would the better stats and slightly faster poison application of a pve heirloom outweigh the slower speed and thus higher mutilate damage of a pvp heirloom. Before the expansion, weapon speed seemed like something that was tested. Now the poisons and speeds have all changed.

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Old 11/21/12, 4:32 PM   #141
Unomeme
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Originally Posted by Chult86 View Post
Exploit the hell out of the CT bug. Makes it seem like you have infinite combo points.
Can you explain this bug more?

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Old 11/21/12, 4:46 PM   #142
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Originally Posted by Unomeme View Post
Can you explain this bug more?
Normally, if you have N charges of Anticipation and use a finisher, it rewards you with N combo points. If that finisher happens to be Crimson Tempest, you get 2*N combo points. So if you are at 5 CPs + 2 Anticipation charges and use CT, you are then left at 4 CPs. The net effect is that you can do 5-point CTs by only building 3 CPs. Since there's nothing in the Anticipation description about this, it's probably a bug.

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Old 11/22/12, 7:03 AM   #143
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If you were to build up to 5 Anticipation charges, would the bug cause those to generate 5 CP + 5 new Anticipation charges? Because that sounds utterly broken like old HAT times where you'd spam finishers...

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Old 11/22/12, 8:17 AM   #144
Enzo90910
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No it wouldn't. You only get CP from Anticipation charges, not more charges.
CTing at 3 charges get you 5 CP, CTing at 2 charges get you 4. I believe both choices are equivalent, you have to build 3CPs by yourself and the bug gives you the other two for free.

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Old 11/23/12, 2:00 AM   #145
metzli
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I haven't done any actual testing on it, but CT damage is probably still so bad that this bug isn't even worth abusing.

Edit: Whether or not CT is worth using or not comes down to basically whether using 6-7 fans to then CT > Rupture and tab is better dps than doing 3-4 point ruptures and tabbing. Given the energy return from twice as many ruptures being up, and it being easier to weave in an envenom to keep SnD up, I cannot imagine that CT is possibly worth using unless they buff it's damage into the realm of being overpowered.

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Old 11/24/12, 3:07 PM   #146
Rosvall
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There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with CT. Did several tests (No gear on, just two daggers without enchant).
MH damage : 4904-7152 x120%
OH damage : 2378 - 4271 x120%
Attack Power: 2658



Also, two tests of the same CP often yielded different values. No debuffs on target, no procs or so possible.

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Old 11/26/12, 11:12 PM   #147
Wally1169
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I know we're still noodling over BIS gear but, when the BIS is established, would it be possible for someone to also post a BIS assuming a LFR cap? I know it's not entirely what we're targeting here on EJ, but some of us rogue players can't string together the hours required for a normal or heroic raid. Another site has some BIS suggestions given a tier cap, but I don't necessarily trust them as far as I can throw them (they give me some wonky suggestions on reforges, for example).

Also, someone asked a few pages ago (right after when BIS suggestions were posted) what some thoughts were on the EP of the set bonuses. Has anyone given that any thought? Sorry if I missed it in the ensuing pages, but I'm pretty sure it hasn't been stated.

Thanks!

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Old 11/26/12, 11:19 PM   #148
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In general we try to avoid "BIS with conditions" lists, because, fundamentally, everyone has different restrictions. "Full BIS" is about the only gear set that any significant number of rogues accumulate at - other than that, everyone has their own limitations on what they can reasonably expect to kill - some people can only do LFR, some people do LFR and a little bit of raiding, some people can afford a Relic of Xuen while others can't, and so on. And all these little decisions may shift what winds up being optimal. So rather than trying to customize a list for every individual player's needs, we generally ask that you figure it out for yourself, using EP, calculators, and whatever other tools may be available.

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Old 11/27/12, 12:31 AM   #149
Mechakisc
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I typically aim for the same gear at a lower tier, i.e. Normals instead of heroics.

However, with Elite gear moving things around and our raid slow to get started this xpac, I'm not sure whether I'll be able to stick with that plan.

Nonetheless, that's my starting point.

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Old 11/27/12, 1:57 AM   #150
jAsOs
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According to WoWDB, the new seal fate procs alot more often.
Does it make crit more valuable than haste?

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