Assassination from the Mists - Page 12

bromli · 11/27/12, 9:26 PM

I just tested FoK and mutilate, and both are proccing poisons for me. However, my damage is low. I've lost around 8% on the dummy overnight, and have no idea why. I heard a rumour that dancing steel isn't double proccing properly, but my OH is LFR and i have windsong on it, so that's not it.

edit: Further dummy bashing yielded normal results, so i guess i was unlucky. Regardless, everything is proccing poisons, at least for me.

Roach. · 11/27/12, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by bromli

I heard a rumour that dancing steel isn't double proccing properly, but my OH is LFR and i have windsong on it, so that's not it.

I'm not getting any double procs, only refreshes on the first instance.

metzli · 11/27/12, 11:49 PM

Just to clarify, I actually parsed quite a bit higher on every farm boss this week after the patch, so I cannot imagine there is any "nerf". Early in the night I can confirm that Fan of Knives was not proccing poisons, but they seem to have hotfixed whatever was causing that.

The proc mechanic of Dancing Steel changed, but I am actually seeing significantly higher uptime (in the range of 90% or more as opposed to around 75 with the previous mechanic), However, I did more testing and with 1 living steel I keep about 60% uptime. I ran the EP values and running LS MH, Windsong OH is very close to the EP of double living steel now, at least for my gear....someone with more math want to test this more thoroughly?

Edit: Proc mechanic for Dancing steel was changed. No longer valid.

Kodjin · 11/28/12, 1:03 AM

Deadly Poison is proc'ing as expected with Mutilates for me as well.

This is from 50 Mutilates with no other sources of damage.

Desuka · 11/28/12, 8:00 PM

A rogue on the official forums is claiming that a guy named Pins ran some numbers during the beta that showed Mutilating sub 35% can outdps Dispatch, making Dispatch hardly an execute at all.

Is there any truth to this statement? I find it hard to believe as my Dispatch damage seems especially high for the relatively short duration it is spammable.

♦ Viper · 11/28/12, 8:12 PM

Pins is Pathal on the forums here.

And that quote sounds a little suspect, as shadowcraft's estimate of sub-35% dps is roughly 5-6% higher than above 35% so it is better to Dispatch. It really is not a dramatic "execute" on a raid boss, though.

Pathal · 11/28/12, 9:35 PM

If they are, they're quoting something from halfway through beta, prior to getting our execute buffed.

It's still not a great one, but it's better than it was.

jAsOs · 11/29/12, 2:24 AM

Poison procs from FoK has been fixed.

Sÿnn · 11/29/12, 10:44 AM

Yes, FoK and Mut proccing poisons was hot fixed mid raid on Tuesday evening. It was kinda of funny people asking where our AoE damage went and then on the next trash pull, it was back.

Although I have not tested it today, I know last night that shadow blades, auto attacks were not proccing deadly poisons.

nonmagical · 11/29/12, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by Sÿnn

Yes, FoK and Mut proccing poisons was hot fixed mid raid on Tuesday evening. It was kinda of funny people asking where our AoE damage went and then on the next trash pull, it was back.

Although I have not tested it today, I know last night that shadow blades, auto attacks were not proccing deadly poisons.

I just tested this now. As of now Shadow Blade auto attacks currently do not proc poisons. I tested this with both Combat and Assassination.

This would explain why, in some earlier reports, people were saying their Deadly Poison was falling off mid fight. With Mutilate + Shadow Blades auto attacks not proccing poison at the time, the only thing that could refresh it would be a Dispatch proc.

Sheeke · 11/29/12, 3:50 PM

Can someone post updated EP values for valor upgraded trinkets, I tried doing it on my own but i'm not sure i did it right.

Sÿnn · 11/29/12, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by nonmagical

I just tested this now. As of now Shadow Blade auto attacks currently do not proc poisons. I tested this with both Combat and Assassination.

This would explain why, in some earlier reports, people were saying their Deadly Poison was falling off mid fight. With Mutilate + Shadow Blades auto attacks not proccing poison at the time, the only thing that could refresh it would be a Dispatch proc.

Yes, the 4 set bonus will not be a fan of this until fixed.

Desuka · 11/29/12, 7:56 PM

Is Shadow Blades even worth using as Assassination if that is the case? Also why wouldn't mutilate proc poison?

snowman2050 · 11/30/12, 3:30 AM

For those not paying attention to other threads, shadow blades has been hotfixed.

Isebel · 11/30/12, 2:22 PM

Can confirm a fix. I don't see blues on it although I'm sure they'll list off some more hotfixes for today at some point or another.

I would also like to note that I believe I am getting double Dancing Steel procs again. My classtimer isn't picking it up as I'm sure if something was done the code is probably different or tweaked in some way so I'll have to look into that. But as of now I am actually getting 2 Dancing Steel buffs at a time on dummies.