And Mutilating at 3 CP can proc SF and waste a combo point as well - in fact, its more likely - yet we do it anyway. And I suspect its optimal to Dispatch at 4 as well for all of the same reasons, although I admit I haven't analyzed the problem in enough detail to say for certain. If you have evidence to the contrary I'd be interested to see it, but I might suggest not flatly asserting that the previous poster is wrong unless you have such evidence.

As I remember it, the conclusion was that you shouldn't waste a CP if you're sure you'll waste one, but you should risk it if a proc could make you waste one.

Hey guys, so I'm currently having a lot of trouble with my AoE rotation for H Wind Lord. There are a couple ways I've been doing it and none have been working out very well so far:
1) Rupture Focused: Mutilate/Dispatch to get a 5cp rupture on three targets, build to 5cp with FoK, Envenom, (FoK)^n, CT
-The trouble with this one is that it takes a long time to ramp up to the FoKfest + Envenom, even with 2 targets it doesn't happen often.
2) AoE: Build 5cp with FoK, Rupture on one target, build to 5 again, Envenom, rinse and repeat.
-I think there may be a more efficient way of doing things (tabbing around while FoK to get more ruptures up?) But then the question is how many 5cp ruptures can you sustain while using exclusively FoK?
3) Some combination of the two when things get hectic.
Is there some amazing strategy that I'm missing out on?
Sorry for the confusing post in advance.

Well I don't see why you're pushing for the magic 5 CP's in the start.

Start fight applying Garrote on target 1, start SnD, switch target -> Vanish -> Garrote -> envenom for full SnD duration. After that I assually apply one more low CP rupture on a target after which energy regen starts to go out of control and then I start applying 5 CP Ruptures to all targets while spamming FoK. Obviously do not apply a rupture to a target affected by Garrote as they do not stack.

Wasting SB on the aoe and not during recklessness is a pretty terrible suggestion. Your opener really doesn't matter a *lot* on windlord though. I've found that in general the difference in doing a lot of work, and just doing the single rupture FoK spam rotation is minimal. If your dps is suffering on windlord heroic it is probably more due to not transitioning into recklessness phase correctly, or blowing CD's outside of recklessness phase.

There is extensive discussion of the best way to AoE earlier in the thread though. If you want more reasoning behind it, I suggest you browse back through the thread.

does any geared rogue even use: Arrowflight Medallion 496?

I would like some input from the community regarding the use of simcraft and askmrrobot.

After using the default PVE weights robot provides, I ran my character through simcraft to obtain its unique weighting scheme. Then utilizing my unique weights in robot, I was a little shocked to see that robot was suggesting a complete abandonment of expertise--from 7.22% to 4.67%--in favor of haste as haste had been weighted slightly higher (even when forcing the expertise cap).

I have a hard time believing this is advisable even though rogues do it from behind. Yesterday I humored robot and prioritized haste in my gear and there was a noticeable difference in parried attacks but could not discern any major differences in dps or overall damage.

My overall DPS according to simcraft was a couple hundred dps higher using the default pve weights, but if we're supposed to be using simcraft to determine unique stat weights, it seems cyclical to me that robot would suggest a plan that results in an overall dps loss according to simcraft, which in turn creates new stat weights.

But perhaps I'm utilizing both services improperly. Thoughts? Concerns?

In regards to Simcraft I think this will will be a valuable link for you to check out. StartersGuide - simulationcraft

I think you should check out the ShadowCraft tool that can be found here => ShadowCraft - Rogue DPS Spreadsheet

It is a web utility that was made by Rogues for Rogues(due to its OOP nature other classes could utilize it if they so chose)

Small update to the opening post. Assassination specific content tips have been added. I will continue to update this particular section where needed today.

Great update, thanks!

One encounter tip I can recommend on the Grand Empress Shek'zeer fight is that Visions of Demise can be cloak immuned, similar to how lightning discharge worked on the Onyxia/Nefarian fight back in Cata. You will need to time it correctly and the ~1s of spell immunity after activation will prevent the fear/dot from applying. The fear kicks in after 4s, so just count in your head to three.

Honestly, I'd like some clarification on this subject aswell. According to ShadowCraft, Pandaren is BY FAR the strongest race - yet it appears that the majority of all top rogues have picked the troll race, which should obviously lead one to believe troll is the superior race, but I'm a little bit confused.