I noted in the OP it stated that we should be using our finishers at 4+ CP rather than 5. This is conflicting with information i've found from other resources, just wanting to confirm that this is not a left-over that wasn't changed since versatility was added.

If it is, as i suspect the case, correct, then can someone provide a explaination as to why 4+ and not 5, given that obviously 5 is going to be better for dmg/energy. Is it simply because this results in higher envenom uptime or some such?

Thanks in advance.

Anyone know how good the sha gem on herioc spiritsever upgraded to 517 on the off hand will compare to throne daggers on the off hand the 522 and 535.

Fairly well, I'd suspect, given that Shadowcraft shows that the raid finder dagger (without upgrades) with Crystallized Dread is better in the offhand than a fully upgraded heroic Dagger of the Seven Stars, and that's a 27 item level difference.

As far as I can see a 2/2 Heroic Spiritsever with Gem and Prismatic will be BiS for offhand untill you aquire a Heroic Thunderforged to replace it.

Just a quick heads up to let you all know I will be updating the OP over the next week or so, if anyone has anything they wish to contribute to the OP with regards to EP values, BiS gear etc that would certainly help speed things up.

Assuming the new version of Shadowcraft is working correctly, I'm showing a pretty big spike in the value of Haste over where it was in 5.1. Whereas previously it was showing at roughly a ~1 EP value, it's jumped to 1.1 (this is all with my current gear). Mastery appears to be devalued, putting it below the current Haste value (1.08, again with my current gear).

I suspect that is from the RPPM trinket you have, since RPPM uptime scales directly with haste RPPM items tend to increase the value of haste. From playing around I think mastery will be higher in the long run but there may be certain gear configurations where haste pulls ahead.

So i just sim'd a bit with my current gear (ilvl 497) and the T15H sample Gear from SimCraft. Both show the Stat weights just as in T14. So i would assume nothing changed for that.



I also came up with following BiS List:

Helm [Nine-Tailed Helmet]Hit>Mastery
Neck [Quadra-Head Brooch] No Reforge
Shoulders [Nine-Tailed Spaulders] Hit>Mastery
Back [Pinionfeather Greatcloak] Crit>Haste
Chest [Nine-Tailed Tunic] No Reforge
Wrist [Bindings of Multiplicative Strikes] Crit>Mastery
Hands [Gloves of Cushioned Air] Crit>Haste
Waist [Strap of Murderous Strikes] Crit>Exp
Legs [Nine-Tailed Legguards] Haste>Exp
Feet [Spurs of the Storm Cavalry] Crit>Exp
Ring 1 [Ra-den's Swift Seal] Hit>Mastery
Ring 2 [Sign of the Bloodied God] No Reforge
Trinket 1 [Rune of Re-Origination] No Reforge
Trinket 2 [Bad Juju] No Reforge
MH [Megaera's Poisoned Fang] No Reforge
OH [Fyn's Flickering Dagger] Exp>Mastery

Feel free to add or change anything. The above reforges should leave you at 2554 hit and 2445 exp rating. If you socket hit gems the reforging would need adjustment.

Also with the buff to CT does that change our AoE rotation?

You might want to avoid using heroic thunderforged pieces, ones from Ra-den might be a different story though (the only thunderforged you put in your list), for reasons posted here.

edit:clarification

edit2: I don't think the damage was changed for crimson tempest, they just changed how the tooltip was worded to be more clear, the end damage is the same. And if that is the case then it will still be bad for Assassination.

Some napkin math would also suggest the Chest from Ra-Den will be the favourable off piece to the 4 set when looking at BiS, It is also likely that the BiS list which will feature in the OP will not include any Thunder Forged items, the likelyhood of aquiring all HC TF pieces will be slim and too reliant on RNG, it goes without saying that a TF item would replace its equal non TF equivelant.

I'll look at getting the EP weights and potential BiS gear list up today.

I had Renataki's drop off the first boss so I've been testing it out.

First impressions: Really, really inconsistent. Over the course of 23 council attempts, I had one lucky attempt where Blades uptime was 44% over 5 minutes and one unlucky attempt where I had 7.8% uptime over 4:14 (aka one proc over 4 minutes). Average uptime was 16.6% as somewhat expected, but I'd rather have consistent DPS than the odd chance to have amazing DPS every couple of pulls.
Logs here if you want a closer look. Details for Kindath - 07-03 19:54 - Ávant Garde - World of Logs

For now, I'd stay away from Renataki's and Bad Juju; Bloodlust looks like it has a high enough PPM to be reliable; Reorigination depends heavily on your gear (but I suspect it isn't as good as it looks, given that dropping haste and crit to near zero devalues the mastery you gain).

Rough estimate: Shadopan > Bloodlust > Bottle of Infinite Stars (h) >= Rune > Bad Juju > Renataki's.

Shadowcraft should give you a decent estimation of the trinkets EP in your gear, but keep in mind that renataki's and bad juju are very low RPPM (leading to inconsistent procs) and rune may not be 100% modeled at this point.