Assassination from the Mists - Page 3

Wenton · 10/08/12, 12:19 PM

I know that stacking rupture and garrote on the same target is not worth while as assassination. However, do you still get the proc and/or energy regeneration from having rupture up on two targets?

RaXoR · 10/08/12, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Wenton

However, do you still get the proc and/or energy regeneration from having rupture up on two targets?

Most definitely. You should try tab-Rupturing in heroics sometime. It's actually decent dps if the rest of your party's dps isn't that high and the adds live long enough to give back substantial energy.

dizzlex · 10/09/12, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by RaXoR

Most definitely. You should try tab-Rupturing in heroics sometime. It's actually decent dps if the rest of your party's dps isn't that high and the adds live long enough to give back substantial energy.

This is also the most effective way to aoe with 4-5 targets. Get SnD up, 2 fok, rupture, move onto next target. I'm not exactly sure the specifics of this rotation, but if you do this, you will do more damage than just sitting on one target and doing 5 combo point crimson's. This changes once you get to 6+ targets however.

Shigity1285 · 10/10/12, 4:54 PM

Has anyone thought about [Lao-Chin's Liquid Courage] being a viable trinket option? I ask this since mastery is so heavily weighted and the proc on this trinket is almost 3000 mastery.

Also, would it be better to have double dancing steel, one dancing steel enchant and one windsong enchant, or double windsong? I feel this is a valid question since secondary stats have been given a buff of sorts and primary stats are not as important as they were in Cataclysm.

Omanko · 10/10/12, 5:25 PM

It depends on the exact proc behavior of both enchants, but intuitively I would say that Dancing Steel is the clear winner. It would make sense, too, given how much more expensive it is to acquire and craft. It being worse than Windsong would not make much sense, now would it

Also note that while it's true secondary stats have become better with MoP, there's still varying degrees depending on classes/specs. It's not a universal rule. Gemming for secondaries especially is only better if the secondary in question is actually valued at more than 50% of the respective primary. Going by the stat weight values in the OP, Mastery in this particular case is NOT more valuable than half of the value in Agility. Assuming those values are correct, that would mean it's more beneficial to gem straight Agi in red sockets. Then again, those values may be incorrect!

dizzlex · 10/10/12, 5:43 PM

Originally Posted by Shigity1285

Has anyone thought about [Lao-Chin's Liquid Courage] being a viable trinket option? I ask this since mastery is so heavily weighted and the proc on this trinket is almost 3000 mastery.

Also, would it be better to have double dancing steel, one dancing steel enchant and one windsong enchant, or double windsong? I feel this is a valid question since secondary stats have been given a buff of sorts and primary stats are not as important as they were in Cataclysm.

This doesn't seem very viable at all.

25% uptime on 2822 mastery is 706 static mastery, which is worse than every 397 normal trinket from Dragon Soul.

While my gear certainly isn't T14 Heroic BIS, I am one of the top 50 geared rogues worldwide as far as gear so I think my gear should suffice for CURRENT testing purposes.

This is my gear with double Windsong. 72861 dps

This is my gear with double Dancing Steel. 76148 dps

This is my gear with One of each. 74507 dps (Dancing Steel on MH, Windsong on offhand) 74715 dps (reversal of MH and OH enchants).

And THIS is your brain on drugs. 0 dps.

Any questions?

Rfeann · 10/10/12, 6:05 PM

For poops and giggles, I threw the Liquid Courage trinket into the spreadsheet. EP is 1209.90, which is downright horrid by comparison to anything you get at level 90 with agility/AP on it. It's better than the [Mogu Rune of Paralysis], but that ain't saying much.

Tangentially: Wowhead's tooltips still don't display proc values correctly. WoWDB appears to have corrected for the problem, though.

Schmoopy · 10/12/12, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rfeann

For poops and giggles, I threw the Liquid Courage trinket into the spreadsheet. EP is 1209.90, which is downright horrid by comparison to anything you get at level 90 with agility/AP on it. It's better than the [Mogu Rune of Paralysis], but that ain't saying much.

Tangentially: Wowhead's tooltips still don't display proc values correctly. WoWDB appears to have corrected for the problem, though.

Forgive my naivete, but what spreadsheet are you referring to?

Chaostî · 10/13/12, 5:33 PM

Hey there some posts are saying that expertise cap is 7.5% other postings, means that isn necessary.

Is it like Cata that Expertise isn necessary for Assa spec?

Ep is Mastery better i know but im a bit confused because some guys saying 7.5% exp is cap =D

Docrev · 10/13/12, 8:39 PM

7.5% experience removes dodges/spell misses from the combat table. While our testing (at least what I saw from beta) showed that we didn't need it since poisons are now on the melee hit table, it still has benefit (less misses, more poison procs, etc). Shadowcraft results show that mastery is better than it, while (for me at least) Simulationcraft shows that expertise is better than it, though I'm not sure which hit table Simulationcraft has poisons on.

Chaostî · 10/14/12, 3:03 AM

Thats why im confused =D

At the moment i reforged only the 7.5% hit cap and the rest mastery so i got maybe 1000 exp left and hope thats better to reforge it this way

nonmagical · 10/14/12, 10:33 AM

The Assassination reforge priorities (as far as I understand them) is Hit (til 7.5%) > Mastery > Expertise (til 7.5%) > Haste > Crit. With current gear you will start getting to the expertise cap even while reforged to Mastery whenever you can. I got to that about around 474 ilvl or so.

Adarrin · 10/15/12, 6:12 AM

How much should I believe Simcraft results? Every simulation is showing Mastery > Haste > Expertise >= Crit. Therefore, you can have very little expertise (~3.5% with my current gear).

Also, the simulations are showing Strength > Mastery, so how accurate is that?

dizzlex · 10/15/12, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Adarrin

How much should I believe Simcraft results? Every simulation is showing Mastery > Haste > Expertise >= Crit. Therefore, you can have very little expertise (~3.5% with my current gear).

Also, the simulations are showing Strength > Mastery, so how accurate is that?

I think that is consistent. Strength gives 1 ap to agility 2 ap. Agility does also give some critical strike chance but not very much per point atm.

When I sim my own ep weights. I am getting

Mastery 1.39
Agi 3.88
Strength 1.45

So strength seems pretty accurate. Half as valuable as Agi would be 1.94 but since you don't get that crit from the strength and only get half the attack power 1.45 seems expected.

This is totally wasted math though since no gear or anything we do ever has str on it.

madsushi · 10/15/12, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by dizzlex

This is totally wasted math though since no gear or anything we do ever has str on it.

There are actually a few sources of STR for rogues, like the Glorious Stats chest enchant, for example.