My SimCraft shows the same opening sequence as yours. Maybe you can help me to understand something. How can you Ambush a target after beginning auto attacks? Doesn't that take you out of stealth? Oh, and by the way, thanks for linking the "how to" with SimCraft earlier. It was very helpful.

Anyone have in site on the new tool tip change for assassination? Would the too ltip change with envenom reading nature damage instead of and instant poison damage affect the overall damage due to no benefit from mastery?

I saw the neck drop last night from the first boss of HoF. So it is indeed there.

The hunter in our guild who has it: Honor @ Laughing Skull - Community - World of Warcraft

It is probably just to clarify that it is nature damage and therefore effected by nature resist but ignores armour. I don't see why they would stop envenom working with mastery, given assassination and rogues in general are mediocre dps at best currently.

Is there a reason that everyone seems content with 4+ envenoms > 35% as opposed to an alternative? Has there been modeling comparing the following rotations > 35% with Anticipation?

1) 4+ CP envenoms

2) 5 CP envenoms

3) if (4 CP and Envenom buff active)
{
use CP generator
}
else
{
4+ CP envenoms
}

SimC uses only 5cp envenoms in their current Assassination top dps model

5 - 116829 dps
4+ - 115549 dps
at 4 only if envenom is down - 116186

So 5cp is the best according to SimC. In none of those is it pooling energy to maximize envenom uptime, but the benefits of that would only get 4+ a smidge closer to 5 and I think that's reflected in the third case which is indirectly doing that. The only reason it was 4+ in the past was wasting the cp was more costly than the reduced envenom dpe. But with anticipation, I can't think of a reason to use a non-5cp envenom in a normal patchwerk type rotation.

That is a can of worms that would in all honesty be too detrimental to this thread to expand on.

If you are curious as to how the classes/specs are measuring up on each specific encounter, I would recommend checking out a raidbot as they compare actual parses. That being said you should also take any raidbot info with a grain of salt as well. The only reason I mention it is because I personally believe it to be a more accurate representation of the state of the classes than a 100% simulation.


Spec Score 25N - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds

This should be asked in the simple questions thread stickied at the top.

To answer, Troll currently sims highest.

Is that assuming full t14 because im asking about challenges. aka 463 avg ilvl

So this, Rogue Races Chart - ShadowPanther.net, showing Undead as the strongest is not legit? It's updated just a few days ago, so I assume the TotG nerf is taken into account.

So I've been trying to figure out what is best to do with the excess combo points during Shadow Blades as an Assassination Rogue. I find it not too uncommon to be in a position where I have a lot of combo points, energy, and time left on my previous envenom buff. Not matter what you do, in theory you will be losing some amount of DPS, so I am trying to figure out which is the least.

Situation: Several seconds left on Envenom buff (2+), energy getting close to cap (80+), and combo points almost maxed (7+).

Now obviously where the numbers exactly are might change this a bit, or a lot. Easiest example is 7 combo points with a risk of losing 1 is way different than 9 combo points with the guaranteed loss of 2, and a potential 3rd.

So the options would be:
1) Use Envenom, clipping previous buff pretty significantly, but making it so you do not generate an unusable combo points and do not cap out on energy.
2) Pool energy until Envenom drops, possibly capping you on energy (especially since after you use Envenom you'll get your energy returned for the move) but not clipping Envenom buffs, nor wasting combo points.
3) Use a CP generator, wasting combo points but not wasting Envenom uptime nor energy.

I'm hoping for at the very least a general rule of thumb, though like I said, the specific optimal move might vary depending on how much you have of each resource and time on the buff. Probably the biggest change would be exactly how many combo points you'd be wasting.

My gut instinct tells me that the least DPS loss would be risking losing a crit combo points, and clipping envenom would be the next least DPS loss. But this is purely a guesstimation. Any insight is helpful!