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Mos� ah · 11/16/12, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mos� ah

Good morning all,

I was hoping to get some suggestions regarding the Spreadsheet. I am unable to pull up my characters information. I receive the previously noted "A fatal error occured while loading this page". Curious enough though I can bring up a friends profile but my character does not come up. I am running Chrome as my browser. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Only issue I can come up with is that my character's name has the alternate "�*" (alt 161 to create) in Mosiah and not the normal "i".

Thank you.

Not sure what is different today but thankfully it is up and running again with my character. Thank you to whomever corrected.

Honzu · 11/16/12, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by Litvan

So since most of my gear has +exp it recommends mastery, completely disregarding the exp cap for a boss to dodge an attack? (sorry for a "nub" question, but if it does that makes little sense to me that it'd disregard the exp cap)

The EP weights are a calculation of the relative DPS increase per stat. So, for Assassination, the increase in poison damage from mastery is a greater DPS increase per stat than the damage lost from a lack of expertise (being dodged). Aldriana's comment about mastery heavy gear meant, that with the weights that Shadowcraft produces, and thereby theoretically the highest DPS, the only time you would expertise cap would be if a lot of your gear pieces naturally had mastery on them (which would mean the next most valuable stat to reforge to would be expertise).

Essentially, for Assassination, expertise is just less valuable for DPS than mastery.

Litvan · 11/17/12, 6:07 AM

Ok, thanks for pointing that out. I was just a little worried that due to the 2.xx% (it left me around 900 below cap) dodge the boss had that the added dmg from poisons might not make up for the boss laughing at me.

Spoonwoman · 11/17/12, 7:34 PM

Good evening, first of thanks for updating this all and the work you've spent on it. Secondly, I found a small bug in the UI, whenever you click a datapoint on DPS graph to go to that reforge/gear/specc/etc it resets your Opener Usage to the default("Always"), obviously a very minor issue just thought I'd let you know.

Haileaus · 11/18/12, 1:55 PM

How well does SC optimize the use of Anticipation? Specifically for subtlety, saving finishers for buffed portions of fights would definitely affect mastery.

Pathal · 11/18/12, 2:03 PM

Very, very little at the moment.

Muzeee · 11/18/12, 6:17 PM

Does Shadowcraft model the set bonuses for tier 14 correctly? For me it shows that swapping the heroic legs from Stone Guards with the 483 LFR Legs, thus granting me the 2set bonus, would be a +400 dps gain for Assasination and even more for Combat.

bi0bi0 · 11/23/12, 8:10 PM

How accurate is the Blade Flurry Option ?

Its logical that Mastery gets stronger with Bf on but for me Mastery Gems deals Haste (and Agi) Gems out

Agility2.723
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Mastery Rating1.577
Haste Rating1.516
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Pathal · 11/23/12, 8:36 PM

When I wrote that I forgot that we switched from separate attacks to merged breakdowns (mh_autoattack_hits and oh_autoattack_hits to just autoattacks). So it's actually missing autoattack and shadow_blades damage in Aldriana's repo (which is what Shadowcraft is running). Haste is still better during BF, but it does drop a little relatively.

I fixed it in dazer's repo, but that probably won't get merged until I figure something else out first.

Nouk · 11/27/12, 5:44 AM

Im honestly confused right now: whenever i change a Reforge, my whole Stats Weights shift in my Subtlety Spec. This doesn't happen with my Combat Spec. So when i go for a Haste-Heavy Setup, Shadowcraft tells me Crit is strongest...when i go for Crit, it tells me Haste is strongest. What's up with that? For now, i removed every Reforge and followed the Stat Weights from there. Damn, i need to learn Simcrafting soon...

On a second note, as i wrote in the Subtlety Thread: why does ST provide Sublety a 5k DPS Boost over ATCP?

edit: i think ST is the culprit here. Changed it, and got nearly the same results as Pathal in the Subtlety Thread. How does SC simulate ST?

mr-jolly · 11/27/12, 2:04 PM

Aldriana, Pathal, Dazer, Antiarc, et all - thank you for your hard work with ShadowCraft.

I would like to try running the ShadowCraft back end directly just to get a feel for the code. I was wondering if any of you (the devs) could describe your development setup and perhaps give a quick how-to on running the code.

Thanks in advance.

Pathal · 11/27/12, 2:07 PM

Anticipation has some very minor assumptions in the Combat and Sub calculations. It's undervalued for players who know how to use it right. But I haven't sat down to think about putting it into redistributing damage to really maximize the DPS from it.

For Shuriken Toss, I believe I just swapped the energy cost for Backstab with ST, and set the attacks_per_second to enter all "would have otherwise been backstab" CPGs as 'shuriken_toss'. Perhaps it is just better.

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On an unrelated note. There won't be support for the valor boosted items until the API lets us know what items are boosted to what (at the very least): Item Upgrade API Changes - Forums - World of Warcraft

Things should work fine for the most part, but shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com won't be able to recognize the bonus stats.

Nouk · 11/27/12, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by Pathal

For Shuriken Toss, I believe I just swapped the energy cost for Backstab with ST, and set the attacks_per_second to enter all "would have otherwise been backstab" CPGs as 'shuriken_toss'. Perhaps it is just better.

Then why does the value for expertise plummet with ST? Does the Simulation still asume ranged Attacks dont need Expertise? ( I used ST since i hit Level 90 as my main CP Builder, most People indeed underestimate it. The DPE of ST and BS are extremely close (with my 476 Dagger at least), and comes with no downside other than missing ATCP.)

Thanks alot for your Support and running things again! Keep up the good work!

timwoj · 11/28/12, 2:11 AM

I still get a lot of errors from the reforger. It will occasionally just fail completely to do anything, then work after a couple presses of the button.

Psilocin · 11/28/12, 1:45 PM

First off, thanks to all the hard work everyone has done to get Shadowcraft up and running again. I was wondering if there has been any plans to incorporate the VP upgrade system into SC and the website front end. I'm assuming that the upgrades are basically a flat % upgrade to stats. It would be helpful to see which gear would be most beneficial to upgrade. Maybe some sort of auto-upgrade utility like the auto-reforge, auto-gem would work? Just being able to see DPS increases from upgrades on specific pieces would be a huge start. May be a large undertaking though.