I believe the issue with sub comes from how well sub can exploit RPPM scaling and probably won't be an issue for most progression. At patch launch sub probably won't be substantially stronger then combat or assassination.

Not just the meta all the new trinkets as well. For instance bad juju has a .5 RPPM with a 20 second duration, no ICD. It would be quite possible to have 35+% uptimes on that trinket by the end of the tier.

So, it seems like discussion about the Rune of Re-Origination has spiked up a bit lately. I want to remind people of a few things about how stats work together before it goes too far.

1) Increasing one stat increases the value of the others. This causes changes in EP depending on if you add or subtract stats (remember that AP has value beyond "1"). For example, if you have 5k mastery at 1.3 EP, going to 4k mastery could hypothetically increase that EP to say, 1.45. Similarly, if you add mastery to make it 6k rating, that EP could perhaps go to 1.2. So taking one EP and subtracting the lost stats from the EP of the gained one is a no-no.

2) Shadowcraft works by averaging the stats from procs. This works well for normal trinkets and procs, but isn't ideal for this specific scenario. The problem is that Rune of Re-Origination dances around secondary stat extremes, losing all of your stat to another causes EP weights to slide drastically, at a rate we don't support well.

3) SimC will struggle to get an accurate modeling of this too. As I said, the trinket dances around extremes, and SimC could support this correctly at some point (I don't know if/when they will get/already got the negative stat buffs working) but the way the data gets rounded out at the end of their process obfuscates the results without extensive prodding and manipulation.

So the best way to get an idea on how strong this trinket is, is to do all the math with your own stats, relying on your own logs for how mechanics line up with your gear and how often they do. The way trinkets line up, the way phases interrupt flow, you won't be able to get consistent and useful data without getting your hands dirty in some math. This is outside the reach of Shadowcraft as we know it, and maybe even SimC too.

For the most part, you're going to want to learn to determine what your stats will be, and for how long during what buffs. Then you can start piecing the DPS chunks together. I'd recommend learning how to use Shadowcraft to accomplish this for speed and time concerns, but SimC should do the same thing. You'll just need a lot more time on your hands if you want a lot of iterations for those smooth distributions and smaller error margins.

Your fears have been quelled.

Blizzard once said that it's not exploiting if it is intelligent "abuse" of game mechanics.

Rogues have been using the T6 P2 Bonus for years now. Only this time around it got out to the public.
So no, using the T6 P2 Bonus WITH Marked for death will not be considered an exploit.
However I don't think that they'll leave it like this, it'll be patched very soon.

Following on from the use of Marked for Death. Could one apply a 5 CP SnD pre pull and swap out to Anticipation without losing the SnD for a dps increase (perhaps even a T6 buffed SnD for even more damage, until it gets hot fixed)?

Changing specs clears all SnD buffs, regardless of how they were acquired.

I can confirm that on live SnD is not cleared by talent changes. Combo points are not removed either, though I do not know if this will apply to combo points gained through Marked for Death.

Confirmed to work on the PTR. You spec Marked for Death, apply the combo points, wait one minute for the CD (you can't swap talents that are on CD), and then respec Anticipation. It's a reliable way to get combo points on the pull but I personally hope this is fixed soon. It reminds me of begging the healers to heal for HaT procs and feels like it's too lengthy of a prepull process.

We have any numbers yet on the new meta gem and how it compares to our current ones? My rough math is showing it near even or even lower than our current meta.

What is it that makes sub able to play the RPPM Items better than the other specs?
From my understanding RPPM works as follows:
X(ppm) * (haste % + 1) * (time since last chance in sec) / 60 (sec per min)

Is the answer the increase to SnD from mastery, granting more weapon swings and therefore more but smaller chances with each swing? Or is the mastery somehow affecting the haste component in the equation?

Because that does not make too much sense to me right now. For example if you had one 50% chance to proc vs 2x 25% chances to proc, the 50% one would give you a 50% NOT to proc. the 2x 25% ones would give you a (75%)² = 56,25% chance not to proc, which would be worse.


I've got another thought with the Rune of Reorigination - could windsong prove to be very valuable combined with it? Seeing as the EP values of stats rise when they are lowered.
Windsong procs prior the stat conversion might be used for the conversion (needs testing)
Windsong procs after the conversion might give some stats to the empty secondary stats during the conversion, which in EP would be alot. (would need also testing)

What are your thoughts about this?