First of all I would like to say thanks for all the theorycraft guys that put in the countless hours of work for us each week, without which I would not be half the PvE rogue I am. I mean you took 99% of the stuff we need to know and put it into one execl sheet. It feels like cheating. You guys are the only reason I really fell in love with how intricate the game was. By uping my Dps little by little. If you can't already tell i am a PvE player.
Two Questions for you, I was using the Shard of Contempt last night to try it out over the Ashtounge Tailsman. The other rogue in my guild and me are typically very close and with my two upgrades i thought i would be able to be consistently on top now. However i noticed somthing about using the Shard. Although i think on Average it is better if you do not use your cool downs in the right way, It is hard to deny that popping all your cooldowns at the right time e.g. while having the Tailsman up throws off the averages that are used in the sheet. Is there any compensation for that or anyway that it can be compensated for? Or is it compensated for and i just played like shit last night?
Anyways to my point it is about the calculation of the racial abilities. It says that Bloodelfs can do more then Trolls on a consistent basis. I should be pumped cause I am playing a bloodelf. But I think there might be a little more that we can look into about the racials.
Correct me if I am wrong but it looks like the extra 4 strength makes almost a 2dps increase with high lvl gear on your sheet that I have been testing on (rogue.radical sheet). My point is it takes the average time dps and spreads it to the beginning for bloodelfs. Also i don't know how the average 30 energy every 2 minutes translates into 1730.14 damage.
I am always an elf in games but I always want to be the best too (PvE is what I am talking about), and it looks like Trolls are it for Horde. I know some say but what about Orcs, No raid healer wants to see a melee with a MS type Debuff on him for any time, I know we get overhealed alot because many healers switch too us, but to expect it is a problem.
So now the problem is on the sheet I love that is says Bloodelfs are the best with very good gear. Cause I am at end game and love that I have the best race to go along with it. However I think Trolls are better and I don't know if this is possible to represent in the sheet or not. But this is how I tried to justify it to myself.
I know this could be very wrong and I am trying to do some of my own number crunching based on the sheet and what I know. Although when I am at work I would never be able to put in the time to really go completely through how the sheet works with all the macros.
My simple caluclations are based on the Avg Sinister strike over 2 minutes. Which would be appropriate on a infinately long fight. However we have to remember with many fights the durations are much lower like 3 to 6 minutes.
Also with the pause and buffing to classes at the beginning of bosses it would be very hard for a bloodelf to save 3 mana taps before the boss. This is the only way that you would be able to use the
Avg SS/120 seconds. But lets remember too that mana tap is only effective on bosses with mana. Many end raid bosses do not have mana.
1) So I guess my first point is on a lot of the bosses Mana Tap is useless. Which is minus 15 Dps on its own

. Troll's racial works on any boss.
2) Second point is that really the bloodelf talent starts after 1 minute and one second into the fight.
2 minute cycle is right based on the cooldown on arcane torrent. So with the bloodelf we are already 1 minute and 1 second ( 1 second is for the global cooldown which apparently is not supposed to be there but is for me) behind bear minimum. That is if you use your mana tap as soon as the 30 second cooldown is up and pop it before anything else. I don't know if there is any way to calculate that into the spreadsheet and think it would be really hare to do so. Unless you could base the fights of a specific time frame, anywhere from 3-6 minutes seems pretty average with some very long fights. So although this sounds funny it means you would get 2 arcane torrents in the first three minutes and 1 second. And then after this settle into a 2 minute rotation. But then again a troll gets 2 full racials in 3 minutes and 10 seconds which outweighs the bloodelf cooldown.
3) It is easy to make the troll Racial way more effective on 90% of boss fights, and the Troll Racial can be popped when entering the fight or in my case as soon as you get hit by some boss abilites.
Troll Racial is different and as crazy as it seems is why I am rerolling for it to be eventually my main.
Also the Spreadsheet had to pick an average haste for 3 minutes which I think is the only way you could really do it. don't forget popping other trinkets while using the Troll Racial is very nice or other cooldowns such as haste.
But you know as well as I we take a lot of ticks from dots AoE's and many other combat hiccups. Maybe it would be possible to change the average haste for a troll.
As far as I understood so far it is 20% haste for 10s every 3 minutes on the spreadsheet.
With how a Troll Racial works this means that on Average you are at 70% health when you pop Beserking every three minutes.
Troll Racial = 10%haste +33%(1 - (targets health %/100))
with a max cap or 30%
I know this means that the troll racial could make the haste be 43% but that is why it is capped when you hit 40% health. So i put the with a max
30% cap
This means a Troll reaches his max potential in haste anywhere from 0.1%-40% health. Anywhere in this range he is then at 30% haste for 10 seconds.
Now let’s go over the conversion from % haste to haste rating. Like many other attributes in wow, it is 15.77 haste rating for 1% haste.
So ((20%Haste * 15.77 Haste Rating/Haste*10seconds) / 180seconds) is how we calculated the Troll Racial bonus. Or what I thought they did to the sheet.
This gives us a passive17.52 haste rating on average, which is what the sheet says.
I did a calculation that I thought really could be applied to 90% of fights based on our fluctuation in health.
Now keep in mind that means that sometimes we wait to get more out of our racial but it is still beneficial and that is what I will try to prove why.
Let’s add a buffer of 20 seconds to the 3 minutes. Now keep in mind that this is an average and is not what the beserking has to be used in if you wait 30 or 40 seconds sometimes to make sure your health gets low that is all part of the average. To be honest I think 20 seconds is more then enough average time but I will time it in my raid tonight.
So with the added 20 second average we have to assume that we will wait till our health gets a little lower. my guess is with 0-40 seconds at some point your health will be at least 55% on a lot of fights to be honest I think we can get lower then that especially if you do it on purpose (which I don't recommend). Making it harder on Raid healers would be ridiculous. But let’s assume 55% because that also gives us some leeway with potential better or worse health.
So at 55% and with an extra 20 seconds we get
From Troll Racial to get a % we can do
10% + 33%(1-55/100) = 24.85
Now use it in the new 20 second delay rotation
We then get
(24.85*15.77*10) / 200 = 19.59 passive haste.
If entered into the spreadsheet this passive haste is better then a bloodelf's racial with makes me pissed cause I am going to reroll for it. Cause I am a nut. But attempting to be good takes dedication. Also keep in mind one big thing the Trolls can do this on all bosses not just some. It is like a 20 dps increase to have a troll over a BE on these fights without mana.
Also you need 1 button to activate the troll racial compared to 4 for the Bloodelf racial. Which doesn't sound that important over a fight but for many downie people like myself who are focusing on rotations, haste pots, procs on trinkets, energy conservation for rotations, Slice and dice times, personal health and popping drums anything simpler is much better.
I have no idea if any of this stuff has been covered before or if I am just rehashing old stuff. But I didn’t find it on the forums and I also don’t mind to be corrected. So if anyone knows differently or why the sheet is like that I would love to know. And will get back to the forums. Don't know if there is much that can be done about it but still thought it might be helpful.
Thanks Mistrtumnus BE rogue Dethecus
Formally Ferrat, god I want my name back.